Can or will Judo or Sambo see a rise in MMA?

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by Doctor Gonzo

from my understanding Judo would be way too hard in no gi with gloves on to be used in the effective manner it is used in a kimono, someone would have to go through with developing no gi Judo and then you would have to rely on what little grips you could get with MMA gloves on in someone with just fight shorts on

if you could just find one white crow...

Hitomi Akano.................15-6
Yoshihiro Akiyama..........13-1
Amilcar Alves.................11-1
Karl Amoussou...............12-2
David Baron...................16-3
Justin Bruckman.............7-3
Shonie Carter................48-21
Antoni Chmielewski.........18-5
Misha Cirkunov...............1-0
Nicolae Cury..................3-1
Karen Darabedyan..........9-2
Fedor Emelianenko.........31-1
Priscus Fogagnolo...........5-1
Manvel Gamburyan.........9-4
Luke Harris...................4-1
Phillip Harris..................13-5
Rick Hawn.....................3-0
Mizuto Hirota.................12-3
Brian Johnston..............5-5
Jason Jones..................13-7
Bu-Kyung-Jung..............0-4
Ferrid Kheder................13-5
Akira Kikuchi..................16-4
Sanae Kikuta.................28-6
Dong-Hyun-Kim..............12-0
Min-Soo-Kim.................3-6
Jong-Won-Kim...............0-1
Tsuyoshi Kosaka............26-18
Jon 'Judo' Krohn.............4-5
Hector Lombard.............23-2
Alexander Lungu............5-2
Matt MacGrath...............8-2
Kazuo Misaki.................22-9
Dokjonsuke Mishima......19-7
Roman Mitichyan............6-3
Hiromitsu Miura..............9-6
Ryuichi Murata...............8-3
Kazuhiro Nakamura.......13-10
Pawel Nastula................1-4
Yushin Okami................23-5
Naoya Ogawa................7-2
Michihiro Omigawa.........8-8
Remco Pardoel..............9-6
Karo Parisyan...............18-5
Maro Perak...................14-1
Hayoto Sakurai.............35-9
Satoko Shinashi............29-2
Kestutis Smirnovas........22-8
Rameau Sokoudjou........7-5
Ben Spijkers..................0-2
Makoto Takimoto............6-5
Gary 'Smiler' Turner........4-2
Danillo Villefort..............10-3
Jim Wallhead.................18-5
Jong-Kim-Wong.............0-1
Hirotaka Yokoi...............11-5
Kazunori Yokota.............11-2
Dong-Sik-Yoon..............5-7
Hidehiko Yoshida............8-7
Yoshiyuki Yoshida...........11-4
Igor Zinoviev.................4-1

???

Paulo Filho......18-1
Shinya Aoki.....22-4

[CyberFreq]

I like how people forget about Aoki. Anytime he fights they always say he is primarily a Judoka and not a BJJ player.

[mepersoner]

If this thread said "in the UFC" it would be a little more accurate.

[ctownhood]

Originally Posted by Keltos

Q mystic, you are a Judo guy right? What do you think about the rule changes that people have been talking about, in regards to what will still be tought in class? So far, my Sensai has still been teaching leg takedowns. Do you think this is something that will be phased out over time, or maybe it depends on the instructor? For instance, my Judo is being taken at an MMA school so perhaps he will continue to keep stuff like naga and MMA in mind, but maybe a strictly Judo school will be different? I dunno

My sensei still teaches morote-gari, kata guruma, etc as well. I think it depends on the philosophy of the dojo: competition or traditional.
My dojo is a traditional school, so we learn the Kodokan techniques. We do not focus on sport judo or Olympic style judo. That being said, when we do compete, we excel. My sensei's thought is that being fundamentally sound will beat those who train only to win competitions.

[ctownhood]

Originally Posted by Bobby13

There are many accomplished judokas competing in mma, but there are no world champions or olympic gold medalists.

Hidehiko Yoshida - 1992 Gold Medalist
Satoshi Ishii - 2008 Gold Medalist
Yoshihiro Akiyama - Gold at the 2001 Asian Championships and 2002 Asian Games
Hiroshi Izumi - silver medal 2004 Olympics, gold medal 2005 World judo championship games
Dong-Sik-Yoon:
* 1992 World Youth Championships - 2nd place
* 1992 Italian Open - gold medal
* 1993 Asian Championships - 3rd place
* 1993 German Open - gold medal
* 1993 Paris Open - 2nd place
* 1993 Austrian Open - gold medal
* 1994 Austrian Open - gold medal
* 1994 Paris Open - gold medal
* 1994 Goodwill Games - gold medal
* 1994 Asian Games in Hiroshima - gold medal
* 1995 Paris Open - gold medal
* 1996 German Open - gold medal
* 1998 British Open - gold medal
* 1999 Iranian Open - gold medal
* 2000 Asian Championships - gold medal
* 2001 East Asian Games - gold medal[3]
* 2001 World Championships - 3rd place


and there are many more.........

[MUFC]

Thales Leites and Maia were both Judo black belts before doing BJJ, they should be listed.

Same with Jacare

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by ctownhood

Hidehiko Yoshida - 1992 Gold Medalist
Satoshi Ishii - 2008 Gold Medalist
Yoshihiro Akiyama - Gold at the 2001 Asian Championships and 2002 Asian Games
Hiroshi Izumi - silver medal 2004 Olympics, gold medal 2005 World judo championship games
Dong-Sik-Yoon:
* 1992 World Youth Championships - 2nd place
* 1992 Italian Open - gold medal
* 1993 Asian Championships - 3rd place
* 1993 German Open - gold medal
* 1993 Paris Open - 2nd place
* 1993 Austrian Open - gold medal
* 1994 Austrian Open - gold medal
* 1994 Paris Open - gold medal
* 1994 Goodwill Games - gold medal
* 1994 Asian Games in Hiroshima - gold medal
* 1995 Paris Open - gold medal
* 1996 German Open - gold medal
* 1998 British Open - gold medal
* 1999 Iranian Open - gold medal
* 2000 Asian Championships - gold medal
* 2001 East Asian Games - gold medal[3]
* 2001 World Championships - 3rd place


and there are many more.........

I think he is strict UFC fan thinking Yoshiyuki, Karo, Akiyama, Kim...

[Seppuku Sam]

Judo, Sambo, MT, Boxing...ya ya ya.......
MMA is MMA. MMA has evolved to the point where it is a "stand alone sport". While there is some merit to individual syles as "bases" for MMA, the truth is the best base for MMA is,........yes, you guessed it, its MMA. The future will see more and more gyms go away from this old, seperate arts, thing......towards the fully integrated MMA training model.

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by Seppuku Sam

Judo, Sambo, MT, Boxing...ya ya ya.......
MMA is MMA. MMA has evolved to the point where it is a "stand alone sport". While there is some merit to individual syles as "bases" for MMA, the truth is the best base for MMA is,........yes, you guessed it, its MMA. The future will see more and more gyms go away from this old, seperate arts, thing......towards the fully integrated MMA training model.

I agree with you tho found it quite surprising to hear that GSP trains mostly by hitting sport-specific gyms...to the point he was considering an attempt at oly freestyle in 2012.

[radman]

Originally Posted by Keltos

Q mystic, you are a Judo guy right? What do you think about the rule changes that people have been talking about, in regards to what will still be tought in class? So far, my Sensai has still been teaching leg takedowns. Do you think this is something that will be phased out over time, or maybe it depends on the instructor? For instance, my Judo is being taken at an MMA school so perhaps he will continue to keep stuff like naga and MMA in mind, but maybe a strictly Judo school will be different? I dunno

You can still do leg takedowns but it has to be from a consecutive attack that did not start with a leg takedown or you get Hansumake! DQ!

Or you can go a pickup as a counter or if the guy has a grip over your back.