[wOg]

I would say that the butterfly guard is the most under-used guard that shouldn't be.

I train with a lot of good guys with some very good open guards. And butterfly guard has been the guard that I've had to deal with the least.

The funny thing is that our instructor has an incredible butterfly/Z-guard game. But not a lot of students have emulated it.

It's also a shame because so many of the types of guys who say "damn, my closed guard sucks. I'll never have a good guard game" would probably benefit from switching to a butterfly/half/half butterfly guard more often.

At least that switch is working for me.

[codemonkey76]

Originally Posted by masada555

Codemonkey,

Can you explain "the importance of keeping the shin connected to the chest of the opponent" in a bit more detail?

Thanks.

i have only begun learning butterfly guard so i would just be parroting instructionals, but when you sweep someone if you stay connected to them it is more leverage, if you have to extend your leg to connect and then sweep you use more strength, it also makes it harder for your opponent to flatten your back down to the mat

[FLMikeATT]

Originally Posted by wOg

I would say that the butterfly guard is the most under-used guard that shouldn't be.

I train with a lot of good guys with some very good open guards. And butterfly guard has been the guard that I've had to deal with the least.

The funny thing is that our instructor has an incredible butterfly/Z-guard game. But not a lot of students have emulated it.

It's also a shame because so many of the types of guys who say "damn, my closed guard sucks. I'll never have a good guard game" would probably benefit from switching to a butterfly/half/half butterfly guard more often.

At least that switch is working for me.

remind me what the z guard is?

Isn't that when your in half guard on your side and put your knee (the one not trapped between his legs) on your opponents hip, cross your ankles locking the position, and make space? If this is it, I use this sometimes in conjunction with normal HG, half butterfly, and lockdown/deep HG.

[codemonkey76]

Originally Posted by FLMikeATT

remind me what the z guard is?

Isn't that when your in half guard on your side and put your knee (the one not trapped between his legs) on your opponents hip, cross your ankles locking the position, and make space? If this is it, I use this sometimes in conjunction with normal HG, half butterfly, and lockdown/deep HG.

spot-on.

lockdown has to do with triangling the legs, deep half guard is when you are completely under your opponent hips, hanging off his leg like a sloth on a branch, with your head resting on his thigh/lap.

[FLMikeATT]

Originally Posted by codemonkey76

spot-on.

lockdown has to do with triangling the legs, deep half guard is when you are completely under your opponent hips, hanging off his leg like a sloth on a branch, with your head resting on his thigh/lap.

Also, what is quarter guard? I've seen this mentioned quite a few times, but I have no idea what it is.

[wOg]

FIGHTLIFE Gustavo Machado - The Half Guard & Quarter Guard

Right now my focus is on tightening up my half guard and adding the half butterfly.

I consider Z-guard and quarter guard to be the same sort of "open half guard", though there are differences.

I'm trying to use the half butterfly as a way of working my game up to these "open half guards" like Z-guard and quarter guard.

[Kimuralex]

quarter guard is like halfguard on the guys shin, the guy is almost passed but you still have a piece of his leg trapped meaning hes not on top side/mount yet.

for me quarter guard=im fucked....i dont understand how people call it a guard, its a weak position to be in, and a transitional one at that IMO

[wOg]

Originally Posted by Kimuralex

quarter guard is like halfguard on the guys shin, the guy is almost passed but you still have a piece of his leg trapped meaning hes not on top side/mount yet.

for me quarter guard=im fucked....i dont understand how people call it a guard, its a weak position to be in, and a transitional one at that IMO

That's Eddie Bravo's definition of the quarter guard from Jiu Jitsu Unleashed. I agree that it's not a great place to be.

The Z-guard and Machado's quarter guard are different.

[Kimuralex]

Originally Posted by wOg

That's Eddie Bravo's definition of the quarter guard from Jiu Jitsu Unleashed. I agree that it's not a great place to be.

The Z-guard and Machado's quarter guard are different.

yea i know, i like z guard....i love to use it against bigger guys since they cant muscle themselves on top of me. i just started playing with zguard recently, it seems good to transition into leglocks on the opposite leg as well.

i think a while ago i seen the machado quarter guard, but i forgot about it and then just went with eddies definition. what is the machado quarter guard, do you have a picture?

[Chris H]

BFG is a great guard and in my opinion it and its variations are crucial to executing a good game off your back.