Brandon Quick (outspoken bravo student) challenged in the UG

[GSparky]

Originally Posted by Varth

I'm not saying it's worse. I'm just saying that lot's of people who don't know shit about BJJ say it's like the best thing ever. How can you know it's the best style if you yourself ain't the best?

I don't know it's the best, "in my opinion" I think it is the best. Period. That is my opinion & that is where is ends. I'm gonna learn it & be the best that I can be. You can go learn something else if you would like & you can disagree with me but either way, this is the style of jiu jitsu that I will learn.

[lechien]

Originally Posted by GSparky

What does it matter to you what Jiu Jitsu I think is the best? I'll tell you too, If you don't like 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu or you don't think that Eddie Bravo is a good teacher, then don't learn it. Go to a teacher that you think is better or learn a style of Jiu Jitsu that you think is better. Only little kids argue over the internet.

So basically, you have not answered my questions and the reason is because 10th is not doing well in MMA and NOGI.

What don't you tell us your level in 10th?

[lechien]

Originally Posted by GSparky

I don't know it's the best, "in my opinion" I think it is the best. Period. That is my opinion & that is where is ends. I'm gonna learn it & be the best that I can be. You can go learn something else if you would like & you can disagree with me but either way, this is the style of jiu jitsu that I will learn.

Why are you being defensive?

What we are asking you is to explain your reasoning for saying 10th is the best?

If you cannot explain yourself then you fail.

Also, have you train BJJ in the past?

[GSparky]

Originally Posted by lechien

Why are you being defensive?

What we are asking you is to explain your reasoning for saying 10th is the best?

If you cannot explain yourself then you fail.

Also, have you train BJJ in the past?

There is no point to argue with you over the internet. No matter what facts or opinions that I bring to the table, none of you will change your opinions. I'll just agree to disagree. If you say I fail then I fail. Either way, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is what I'm learning.

[nefti]

how long have you been training? Don't take this as a flame but your response is a typical reaction from guys who never trained bjj but watched ufc's and heard joe rogan's rant.

[DarceBrabo]

Originally Posted by GSparky

There is no point to argue with you over the internet. No matter what facts or opinions that I bring to the table, none of you will change your opinions. I'll just agree to disagree. If you say I fail then I fail. Either way, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is what I'm learning.

I'll play along. Here are my reasons for thinking that 10thPJJ is *not* the best system:

1) A lot of the 10thPJJ guard game relies heavily on flexibility over hip mobility. A lot of flat on your back stuff which is VERY hard to do.

2) The top game relies heavily upon things that you should learn AFTER becoming very sufficient at specific fundamentals first, and by learning that top game first instead leads to some very big holes.

3) Its Eddie's game. Its all of his years of experience, his build, body type, and attributes. It works PERFECTLY for him because its HIS interpretation of HIS Jiu Jitsu. I believe everyone has their own journey, and through that journey we find what works best for OUR game.

Now this was very vague (I'm not about to go into crazy depths from my blackberry), but I just gave you an exact reason.

Care to share why you think its the best?

[lechien]

Originally Posted by GSparky

There is no point to argue with you over the internet. No matter what facts or opinions that I bring to the table, none of you will change your opinions. I'll just agree to disagree. If you say I fail then I fail. Either way, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is what I'm learning.

We are not arguing at all.

I have an open mind.

Once I saw Royce Gracie in the first UFC, it was huge change in my views of fighting and TMA.

Now, guys like you are posting on the net on how 10th is the best for MMA and NOGI.

As soonest, I asked questions then you just keep quiet.

I think you never even train BJJ at all and got sucked in with learning 10th.

Who is teaching you? Ari?

[Varth]

Originally Posted by GSparky

I don't know it's the best, "in my opinion" I think it is the best. Period. That is my opinion & that is where is ends. I'm gonna learn it & be the best that I can be. You can go learn something else if you would like & you can disagree with me but either way, this is the style of jiu jitsu that I will learn.

Well so it's respected BJJ school or 10th planet JJ which is known for getting a lot of bad criticism and known for some instructor's with fake credentials? Learn what you want but if you try you won't exactly be the best that you can be. A bunch of guy's here know what they are talking about when they say these thing's and you really shouldn't just follow the hype of maybe your friend's going to 10th planet.

I'm not going to argue with you over this, I'm just saying that training with a veteran been doing BJJ for 20 year's instructor is going to get you far more along then a brown "shirt" who's been doing heavily criticised 10th planet JJ who's been doing it for 3-4.

[DarceBrabo]

Originally Posted by Varth

Well so it's respected BJJ school or 10th planet JJ which is known for getting a lot of bad criticism and known for some instructor's with fake credentials? Learn what you want but if you try you won't exactly be the best that you can be. A bunch of guy's here know what they are talking about when they say these thing's and you really shouldn't just follow the hype of maybe your friend's going to 10th planet.

I'm not going to argue with you over this, I'm just saying that training with a veteran been doing BJJ for 20 year's instructor is going to get you far more along then a brown "shirt" who's been doing heavily criticised 10th planet JJ who's been doing it for 3-4.

Very good point. Here's the thing, 10thPJJ is a VERY specialized game, which is why (IMHO) Eddie prefers that guys have solid previous grappling experience before going into his system. Your learning Eddie's game, and his take on things. He's not teaching all of those fundamentals that Jean Jacques Machado taught him to get to that point, he's teaching his discoveries AFTER that. Plus you have to factor in that Eddie does what works *FOR HIM*. He can get away with alot of the flat on your back Jiu Jitsu because he can bend his legs into places that 95% of the BJJ community cant do.

If you've already got solid fundamentals (late blue, early purple), then learning some of that stuff wouldnt really hinder your game too bad, because you'd just be picking out the stuff that applies directly to you. Now learning Eddie's system as a day 1 white belt I think is bad IMO because there are quite a few areas that arent addressed, Half Guard retention being one of them. How many times have we seen top level BJJ guys attempting to use the Lockdown, only to get it smashed and passed.

The common rebuttal is "He just didnt get enough reps", but most of the guys dabbling with that stuff were ALREADY solid. So if you wanna learn 10thPJJ, thats fine, but just keep in mind that if you build a house with a weak foundation, it may look fine when the weather is pretty and clear, but soon as the storm comes, it'll crumble and fall apart.

[delt16]

Originally Posted by DarceBrabo

Very good point. Here's the thing, 10thPJJ is a VERY specialized game, which is why (IMHO) Eddie prefers that guys have solid previous grappling experience before going into his system. Your learning Eddie's game, and his take on things. He's not teaching all of those fundamentals that Jean Jacques Machado taught him to get to that point, he's teaching his discoveries AFTER that. Plus you have to factor in that Eddie does what works *FOR HIM*. He can get away with alot of the flat on your back Jiu Jitsu because he can bend his legs into places that 95% of the BJJ community cant do.

If you've already got solid fundamentals (late blue, early purple), then learning some of that stuff wouldnt really hinder your game too bad, because you'd just be picking out the stuff that applies directly to you. Now learning Eddie's system as a day 1 white belt I think is bad IMO because there are quite a few areas that arent addressed, Half Guard retention being one of them. How many times have we seen top level BJJ guys attempting to use the Lockdown, only to get it smashed and passed.

The common rebuttal is "He just didnt get enough reps", but most of the guys dabbling with that stuff were ALREADY solid. So if you wanna learn 10thPJJ, thats fine, but just keep in mind that if you build a house with a weak foundation, it may look fine when the weather is pretty and clear, but soon as the storm comes, it'll crumble and fall apart.

Can we have an update on your big announcement Darce Brabo?