Brandon Quick (outspoken bravo student) challenged in the UG

[Scooter Brown]

Originally Posted by Shemhazai

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=...11&page=1&pc=4

Cliffs: Brandon Quick got his brown from a fake black belt in the army, Eddie Bravo accepted his knowledge of 10PJJ on face value without checking his lineage.

This is such a soap opera.

Well, that's not good news, but it's not as bad as it could be. It doesn't sound like BQ intentionally misrepresented himself but was a victim of this other douche.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by Scooter Brown

Well, that's not good news, but it's not as bad as it could be. It doesn't sound like BQ intentionally misrepresented himself but was a victim of this other douche.

Oh come on. Of course Brandon Quick knew he was not a real brown belt. Why else was he so hesitant to name his instructor?

The facts are the facts. Some of the most visible 10th Planet supporters (Brandon, Ari) are total frauds and liars. And people wonder why 10th Planet is considered a joke by almost every legit BJJ guy.

[lethalazn]

well for a "fraud" this guy sure as hell makes good DVDs

[Scooter Brown]

Originally Posted by Balto

Eddie defends both Brandon's and Ari's "shirt" ranks there by saying that his standards are a lot different (in my opinion lower) than normal BJJ standards. He really doesn't check much into actual rolling ability and focuses more on the ability to use his terminology and teach his particular system.

That's not what he said. He defended Ari as a legit purple belt... And he said what he looks for in people running affiliate schools is just the ability to teach his system and not what their rank is or should be*. He didn't test BQ for what his rank should be before allowing him to run an affiliate school but just his knowledge of the 10th planet system. I hope by "10th planet system" he means everything relevant to no gi grappling and not just the stuff in the 10th planet books books.


*I don't necessarily have a problem with this. Boxing coaches aren't always good boxers.

[platfox]

thought this was an awesome post by someone from the UG. hopefully eddie responds to it.

posted by TurnbuckleWally

Eddie;

Didn't you work hard to earn you belts? Don't you care who represents your system? Does it not bother you when someone misrepresents themselves and drags you down with them? I don't get it. You say you don't care about belts and don't train with the gi, then why have a ranking system? In my opinion guys like Ari or Brandon are watering down the meaning of a belt. Something many of us hold in high regard.

Personally, I actually like the fact that you're innovative and I think giving names to moves, whether they have been around or not, is smart. It helps to learn and to coach. To people who don't know, it sounds like a different language completely, which is good when you're coaching against them. I have no problem with your system being a part of BJJ and think it should be learned by every serious BJJ practitioner. However, the people you have repping your system is making you and 10th Planet JJ into a punch line. It seems like a money grab and a big "Fuck You" to the BJJ community.

You give a guy like Ari a purple belt and let a guy like Brandon represent you without even checking his lineage?! I, like many others, always assumed he was a brown under you. This guy knew his belt was fraudulent and instead of being a man and admitting it, he hides the fact and puts some more egg on your face. It's fucking ridiculous. Don't you care?! Is there a point where you say, "Okay, I've made some bad choices and my system is getting a bad reputation, let me re-evaluate what I'm doing and try and bring some validity and respect back to my name"?

[Scooter Brown]

Originally Posted by platfox

thought this was an awesome post by someone from the UG. hopefully eddie responds to it.

posted by TurnbuckleWally

Eddie;

Didn't you work hard to earn you belts? Don't you care who represents your system? Does it not bother you when someone misrepresents themselves and drags you down with them? I don't get it. You say you don't care about belts and don't train with the gi, then why have a ranking system? In my opinion guys like Ari or Brandon are watering down the meaning of a belt. Something many of us hold in high regard.

Personally, I actually like the fact that you're innovative and I think giving names to moves, whether they have been around or not, is smart. It helps to learn and to coach. To people who don't know, it sounds like a different language completely, which is good when you're coaching against them. I have no problem with your system being a part of BJJ and think it should be learned by every serious BJJ practitioner. However, the people you have repping your system is making you and 10th Planet JJ into a punch line. It seems like a money grab and a big "Fuck You" to the BJJ community.

You give a guy like Ari a purple belt and let a guy like Brandon represent you without even checking his lineage?! I, like many others, always assumed he was a brown under you. This guy knew his belt was fraudulent and instead of being a man and admitting it, he hides the fact and puts some more egg on your face. It's fucking ridiculous. Don't you care?! Is there a point where you say, "Okay, I've made some bad choices and my system is getting a bad reputation, let me re-evaluate what I'm doing and try and bring some validity and respect back to my name"?

Good post except I don't understand the relevance of the part I bolded to the point.

[Varth]

Originally Posted by platfox

thought this was an awesome post by someone from the UG. hopefully eddie responds to it.

posted by TurnbuckleWally

Eddie;

Didn't you work hard to earn you belts? Don't you care who represents your system? Does it not bother you when someone misrepresents themselves and drags you down with them? I don't get it. You say you don't care about belts and don't train with the gi, then why have a ranking system? In my opinion guys like Ari or Brandon are watering down the meaning of a belt. Something many of us hold in high regard.

Personally, I actually like the fact that you're innovative and I think giving names to moves, whether they have been around or not, is smart. It helps to learn and to coach. To people who don't know, it sounds like a different language completely, which is good when you're coaching against them. I have no problem with your system being a part of BJJ and think it should be learned by every serious BJJ practitioner. However, the people you have repping your system is making you and 10th Planet JJ into a punch line. It seems like a money grab and a big "Fuck You" to the BJJ community.

You give a guy like Ari a purple belt and let a guy like Brandon represent you without even checking his lineage?! I, like many others, always assumed he was a brown under you. This guy knew his belt was fraudulent and instead of being a man and admitting it, he hides the fact and puts some more egg on your face. It's fucking ridiculous. Don't you care?! Is there a point where you say, "Okay, I've made some bad choices and my system is getting a bad reputation, let me re-evaluate what I'm doing and try and bring some validity and respect back to my name"?

Awesome post. Belt's usually mean you use it with gi Scooter brown yet he gives out "Belt shirt's". That's why he probably mentioned that I think. Anyway Eddie Bravo really need's to put thing's into perspective or his reputation will really be flamed and his business will be ruined. It might start with the more indepth people of the BJJ world like the Grappling forum but it can start spreading eventually.

[platfox]

Originally Posted by Scooter Brown

Good post except I don't understand the relevance of the part I bolded to the point.

I think he's saying that why use a bjj ranking system when you do no-gi. Bjj is done with a gi. So he's insinuating that no-gi grappling is not bjj.

Personally I think anyone can use any ranking system they want but I don't understand why 10th Planet is called "10th Planet Jiu Jitsu" and not "10th Planet Submission Grappling"

I guess its your opinion as to how important the gi is jiu jitsu. I mean if you remove the bat from baseball and used a tennis racket instead, would you call still call it baseball?

[mesa]

AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREEEEEEEEEEEE

bjj police at it's finest - nice work.

[Scooter Brown]

Originally Posted by platfox

I think he's saying that why use a bjj ranking system when you do no-gi. Bjj is done with a gi. So he's insinuating that no-gi grappling is not bjj.

Personally I think anyone can use any ranking system they want but I don't understand why 10th Planet is called "10th Planet Jiu Jitsu" and not "10th Planet Submission Grappling"

I guess its your opinion as to how important the gi is jiu jitsu. I mean if you remove the bat from baseball and used a tennis racket instead, would you call still call it baseball?

By that reasoning nobody uses Jiu Jitsu in MMA... or ADCC for that matter.

Anyway, it's a whole other argument that's not relevant to the central point of the post. Why start a new argument in the middle of trying to settle the original one?