Anybody read the Folwer mundial controversy?

ZeMino · 08-02-2006, 03:05 AM

Did anyone read this, regarding Mike Fowler?
Did anyone see it live? if yes, was it really a slam?
Anyone have insights?

Kid Peligro Jiu-Jitsu News . . Black Belt Saturday - A day of submissions surprises and controvesy
Submitted by: Kid Peligro / Sr Editor
Posted On 07/30/2006

Saturday was the first day of the (besides the regular BJJ Worlds crowd) Black Belts competition in the Worlds. A star studded audience with great guests like Rickson Gracie, Wanderlei Silva, Ricardo arona, Paulo Filho witnessed a day with lots of submissions, surprises and controversy.

Submissions were taken care of by especially by Roger Gracie, Xande Ribeiro & Marcelo Garcia. Roger submitted all his opponents in the absolute divison while Xande submitted all but one of his and both will meet tomorrow in the finals. Garcia submitted everyone he faced until he met Roger in the semi's and was the victim of another one of Roger's chokes.

Upsets were courtesy of 'Cyborg' who submitted Braulio Estima (arm-lock) and then disposed of Demian Maia (points) in the quarter finals before succumbing to Xande in the semi's as well.

The controversy of the night involved Mike Fowler. During his match with former World Champion Daniel Moraes, Fowler caught Daniel in what looked like a final arm-lock only to have Moraes slam him for an apparent disqualification. The referee inexplicably did not do it and the fight went on to the finish with Moraes winning it by points. As the fight ended Fowler and coaches Lloyd Irvin and Leo Dalla vehemently protested to no avail, the referee had spoken, IBJJF President Carlos Gracie Jr went on to conccur with Lloyd's protest but again, buy statute the final word was the referee's and could not be changed.

I caught up with a disappointed Fowler shortly after the situation. Fowler stated:' I caught his arm, I heard it pop, then he slammed me but the fight continued. It is a bummer.' . . . Then suddenly the warrior spirit in him kicked in: 'Kid when is the next competition here? I am going to come back. I am going to come back here a lot! I am going to win here!' A warrior no doubt, nothing can stop him! He'll be back to Rio. He'll win his title!

Tomorrow the quarter's, semi's and the finals take place

See you then

scorcho · 08-02-2006, 07:11 AM

I had not heard about this. Interesting.

anaconda · 08-02-2006, 08:41 AM

That sucks for him....I am sure he'll bounce back, and i hope he wins next year

colinm · 08-02-2006, 10:02 AM

at least fowler popped his arm.

brazilian bias anyone?

**Foolkiller** · 08-02-2006, 10:16 AM

I feel bad for Fowler. He deserved the win either way since he did lock out the sub and because he got slammed which was an illegal tactic. This kind of reminds me of the Jacare-Roger controversy from 2 years ago although there wasn't a slam in that instance. I hope that referee gets fined for his bad judgment and isn't used in the Mundials again.

Sherdog_Mutt · 08-02-2006, 10:38 AM

I've heard another version of this incident. I heard that it wasn't so much a slam but Moraes losing his balance after standing up and trying to shake his arm loose from Fowler's armbar.

I'm going to reserve judgment until I see this footage.

alphamale · 08-07-2006, 06:21 PM

hey guys,

you can see lloyd irvins take on it here.

http://clicks.aweber.com/z/ct/?sYV.iq0UD08xttVXw6tBqw

id also like to see it before i make my mind up, but if carlos agreed id say that its pretty dodgey. Also i trust kids peligros opinion so it looks like another screw job.

The Jake · 08-07-2006, 07:05 PM

I was watching a Roger Gracie vs Jacare match I think it was from the 04 Mundial and after seeing some blatantly obvious bias to Roger its no suprise to me really. Some refs play terrible favorites. Whats more, some don't even bother hiding it. Its worse than some of the Pride judging and that's saying something.

- J.

**Foolkiller** · 08-07-2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jake

I was watching a Roger Gracie vs Jacare match I think it was from the 04 Mundial and after seeing some blatantly obvious bias to Roger its no suprise to me really. Some refs play terrible favorites. Whats more, some don't even bother hiding it. Its worse than some of the Pride judging and that's saying something.

- J.

Didn't he lose that match? How is it bias refereeing when the guy loses on points after the ref does not DQ his competitor for not engaging?

Soid · 08-07-2006, 08:23 PM

I rather watch the fight and judge for myself than hearing what either one of them has to say about it.