Aggression in BJJ Training - Page 2

Os3y3ris · 10-06-2005, 04:34 AM

Lets hope BJJ doesn't turn into kung fu. MUSCLE???? EFFORT??? WTF?? Realistically speaking, no one's gonna give you shit. You wanna roll passively, fine. I'll simpy beat you every stage of the game. You need to be setting your stuff up. Don't necessarily use force on force, but "insist" on getting the position you need and setting your moves up properly. If you just lie there and wait until they fuck up, you're gonna be screwed before they have a chance to.

As far as what higher belts do, they play harder against eachother. They can half ass it against white belts because white belts will submit themselves just about. Thats what ive noticed anyways.

RoyMunson · 10-06-2005, 05:36 AM

yea, i really don't think aggression is the key. I rolled with a guy a few days ago that was seemingly going all out, being really aggressive and he even kicked me in the balls inadvertintly when going for a heel hook. anyway, wtih about a minute to go he completely gassed and was too tired to roll for the remainder of the class. This left me wondering why the fuck someone would bother controlling someone for 4 minutes of a 5 minute session when they use all of their energy to do so.

RobT · 10-06-2005, 06:57 AM

I try to be aggressive, but not in the sense that I'm going nuts and using strength. I just try to constantly be on the attack or looking for sweeps etc.

Then again, against the better guys I don't always get the chance to be aggressive!

anton · 10-06-2005, 11:00 AM

I am guilty of being to passive sometimes. I have decent technique, but i need to work on the athletic side of things. There times, especially in a scramble, when being aggresive and being able to drive into your opponent really makes the difference. There are times when i am still guilty of flopping to my back in those situations, but i am trying to work on it.

I am a pretty laid back person in general, and i need to get better at physically imposing my will on someone when going to finish a submission. There have times when i more or less have the submission, but i dont put that last bit of extra force on and the guy powers. Its partially technique related i guess, but there are times, especially with stronger opponents, if you have their arm you have to own it and really lock in the submission.

anton

Fight_Song · 10-06-2005, 11:23 AM

unless your game is crazy tight, being aggressive usually leads to making a mistake and mistakes lead to tapping.

triso · 10-06-2005, 11:33 AM

I’ll tell you what. I don’t believe in the “no strength” attitude either. I’m not saying that you should pick guys up and slam them from guard, I’m just saying, being fast, explosive, and strong is a GOOD thing. With that said, you should always have technique in mind, and the athleticism you use should complement the technique you are applying.

To say “don’t use strength” is just incorrect IMO. As if someone you are going against in a competition or fight (for that matter) is not going to use strength or aggression.

When I roll, I am usually aggressive. I like to actually go for submissions, and always try to pass, or escape, or sweep. It’s my personal preference though. I understand there are people with different games out there, and I respect their game, especially when they make it work for them. It’s cool to see someone who can slowly impose there will and technique on someone. I just personally don’t like the slow waiting game. I like to take chances. Sure I believe in position before submission, but I also like to attempt things frequently.

I am by NO means comparing myself to Nog, but I would say the way he is constantly moving and going for subs on the ground is the way I like to play Jiu Jitsu.

Who cares if you get tapped or not. At least you are trying to make things happen, and work for submissions. Tapping just means you got caught. A lesson learned. People need to let go of their egos a little, and stop caring so much about being tapped.

triso · 10-06-2005, 11:37 AM

By the way, good thread.

Brendon Katz · 10-06-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by triso

I’ll tell you what. I don’t believe in the “no strength” attitude either. I’m not saying that you should pick guys up and slam them from guard, I’m just saying, being fast, explosive, and strong is a GOOD thing. With that said, you should always have technique in mind, and the athleticism you use should complement the technique you are applying.

To say “don’t use strength” is just incorrect IMO. As if someone you are going against in a competition or fight (for that matter) is not going to use strength or aggression.

if u can beat a guy using only technique when he is rolling with strength and speed in a training sessions , when it comes to crunch time and you play ur technical game with speed,strength etc you will be that much more devastating.

i didnt read all the posts , but i think an aggressive game is more mental . you need to be constantly on the mental attack , "where is the gap? where is the sub ?" all the time . stay aggressive mentally , dont think defensively . 'defend from side control .. ok phew side control defended." u will get outpaced and lose.

Brendon Katz · 10-06-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyMunson

yea, i really don't think aggression is the key. I rolled with a guy a few days ago that was seemingly going all out, being really aggressive and he even kicked me in the balls inadvertintly when going for a heel hook. anyway, wtih about a minute to go he completely gassed and was too tired to roll for the remainder of the class. This left me wondering why the fuck someone would bother controlling someone for 4 minutes of a 5 minute session when they use all of their energy to do so.

becus eventually they will get fit and control someone for 5 minutes of a 5 minute session.

S.D.Force · 10-06-2005, 11:45 AM

I really disagree with the way sub grappling JJ classes are run. In almost all places i've been it's always the same. At the end of class it's just open mat. You pick a guy or get picked. Then you proceed to have the next 30 min. to 1 hour to "roll". Personally, i am an ex wrestler and just naturally favor a power/agression style of pushing the action. Any wrestler will tell you though, after about 2 minutes of hard work you can start to tire if you're not taking some rests and watching your breathing.

One of my big "beefs" is that for a tournament you are expected to go about 4-5 min. as a novice, beginner, intermediate. So really that is what i think we should be training for in practice. They should do sparring periods with a ring timer or something to let us know the time and then let us go at it. Maybe not ALL the time, but at least sometimes. The biggest problem "passive" jiu jitsu guys have at tournaments is that now they are forced to grapple hard for 4-5 min. and they are used to going "easy" for 30 minutes in practice.

To me it's all about tournament preparation. And to prepare for that, you need to be going at it at least somewhat aggressively. And if you are going that hard, then ususually you need to rest at about the 4-5 minute level. To me that sounds reasonable. And to that extent (tournament preparation) JJ is really NOT a marathon, and it's not really a sprint either, it's kind of like running a hard mile or so.

Classes should have periods of technical and light rolling which is classified strictly at non-sparring, and then for guys that want to tournament train, or do realistic sparring. Which in almost all cases can be related to either tournament training or street fighting, well then i think they need to use a ring timer of 3-5 minutes or whatever, to set up realistic sessions. This way you know when the START period and the END periods are. And then you can clearly, objectively, and with intelligence, ration out your energy. Just as you need to do in a tournament match. That's how they do it in boxing, etc.. so why not jiu jitsu/sub grappling? Why does every place run classes the same way with sparring?