[Acexwanderer]

I have read that Fedor thinks Systema is bs.

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by fightingrabbit

Bruce Lee was a chinese boxer son.

Well, on the topic of Fedor, I always thought he resembled a bear when he swings. His fists are kinda curled inwards and it looks like hes swiping at his opponent. You never really see him throw a real straight punch. Aleks uses the same style of boxing. If i recall correctly, Fedor said there is a reason he swings that way. He even managed to transition his stand up style of punching into his GnP.

You cant escape the fists of fedor!

If by "Chinese Boxing" you mean Kung Fu you would be correct *son*, although even then he still doesn't have any verified fights against accomplished "Chinese Boxers". The problem is you have lots of people, including on this forum trying to claim he was an accomplished western boxer and he was not.

[Kosh]

Systema? That shit is Spetsnaz stuff, isn't it?

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by Kosh

Systema? That shit is Spetsnaz stuff, isn't it?

Systema is a bunch of hyped up super secret ninja death touch BS being foisted off on the unsuspecting public.

Sambo, if you can find a good instructor, is the real deal.

[Prokofievian]

Originally Posted by Gregster

I suppose you think that he remains an iconic figure who earned the respect of most or all of the best martial artists of his day because he was an actor?

Bruce Lee researched, trained in, analyzed and absorbed a broad spectrum of fighting styles with a diligence and intensity which is as staggering today as it was almost 40 years ago. The assertion that he was just an actor with some flashy Kung Fu skills-- one which is often made around here and elsewhere-- is absolutely preposterous.



Actually, Bruce Lee disdained grappling and similarly claimed he could "bite his way out" of a hold if anyone were able to manage to actually get ahold of him and take him to the ground. In a now-famous incident on the set of The Green Hornet, Gene LeBell (who was working as a stuntman) demonstrated otherwise. and made Bruce a believer (and something of a convert) to the world of grappling.

While Bruce Lee didn't use grappling in his movies-- he understood far better than his detractors seem to think that movie fighting and real fighting are worlds apart-- he had begun to explore it seriously and was training with Lebell when his life was abrupt;y cut short.

In enter the dragon he taps out Bolo with a crucifix.

[Ben Stigar]

Lee's witnessed and documented fights seem to be elusive at best (with one or two exceptions). But the thing to remember is that he is one of the better-known proponents of mixed martial arts (not sport MMA per se) in history.
That said, there were others before him, especially in the "real combatives" arena (e.g. Fairbairn). In fact there were probably millions...but he helped to bring the "absorb what is useful" philosophy to modern martial arts, even if he didn't mean "mix up a bunch of traditional martial arts to find a new one," (but in practice that's what it comes down to, doesn't it?).

[HuMz]

Originally Posted by Gregster

Actually, Bruce Lee disdained grappling and similarly claimed he could "bite his way out" of a hold if anyone were able to manage to actually get ahold of him and take him to the ground. In a now-famous incident on the set of The Green Hornet, Gene LeBell (who was working as a stuntman) demonstrated otherwise. and made Bruce a believer (and something of a convert) to the world of grappling.

While Bruce Lee didn't use grappling in his movies-- he understood far better than his detractors seem to think that movie fighting and real fighting are worlds apart-- he had begun to explore it seriously and was training with Lebell when his life was abrupt;y cut short.

Bruce Lee was a great mind. Anyway, LeBell proved to the extreme nuthuggers that bruce lee could be beaten. He even lifted him above his head while bruce was furiously telling him to put him down like a little kid.

Im a fan of Bruce but all the extreme nuthugging by people with post such as "ali,tyson,fedor vs bruce lee" are fucking annoying

[ddran15]

I don't know much about systema but I know their strikes hurt more than conventional striking to the body. Im guessing there are no systema fighters in MMA because they use gloves. I still think gloves should be optional because as I see it I have more chance to win a larger opponent. When I bare knuckle boxed a guy 5 inches taller than me, as he would try and hit me I punched his wrists and forearms away cause I could'nt reach his face, and he gave up cause of the pain in his forearms. So yea, bareknuckle all the way.

Also there is a peculiar punch my cousin said they teach in the russian military. When punching twist your wrist towards yourself until you cant (kind of like you're pouring liquid out of a cup) and hit with the knuckles that way. And twist all the way so you can hit with the bottom three knuckles (well, now top three).

[aries]

Originally Posted by Prokofievian

In enter the dragon he taps out Bolo with a crucifix.

And he armbarred Samo Hung at the beginning.

[Dogmeat]

Originally Posted by aries

And he armbarred Samo Hung at the beginning.

And Roper showed us you can bite your way out of a submission...

But yeah, in Gene Lebell's book he says that Bruce knew the value of grappling, but knew that the audience wanted to see some standing chop-socky.

Also, a lot of the bullshit is spread by his fanboys rather than the man himself. There's an interview where someone asks him if he could take Ali, and he says (paraphrasing) "look at this fist - this is a tiny chinaman's fist" and then points out that the sheer size and atheletisism for Ali would be too much to handle, let alone his boxing skill on top of it

I'm tryign to find it, but I keep getting the usual bullshit about Bruce being able to kill a man with his pinky and one inch punch a man to the moon!

I wish the guy had lived simply because there wouldn't be so much bullshit around him