[ddran15]

Well yea true but he did fight one guy that the chinese sent after him for teaching westerners martial arts.
Anyway back to Fedor. They teach systema to the spetsnaz and the kazakhstan fighters fight reletively the same way, its a more natural way of fighting. So I seriously think Fedor has some knowledge about it, for it is common in the east block. I have cousin that recently got back from a trip to the mother land and his brother in law (who is in the army) showed him the same technique. It's kind of like hitting with a hammer, with focus on causing severe organ damage. They also fight alot with knives and group fighting (which is common in russian streets)

[Gregster]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

Fedor = professional fighter

Bruce Lee = actor

I suppose you think that he remains an iconic figure who earned the respect of most or all of the best martial artists of his day because he was an actor?

Bruce Lee researched, trained in, analyzed and absorbed a broad spectrum of fighting styles with a diligence and intensity which is as staggering today as it was almost 40 years ago. The assertion that he was just an actor with some flashy Kung Fu skills-- one which is often made around here and elsewhere-- is absolutely preposterous.

Originally Posted by ddran15

In all seriousness I think Bruce Lee could of taken out most people back in his day in a real fight, because in areal fight it's not smart to go to the ground and wrestle like in mma cause of biteing, and his athletesizm.

Actually, Bruce Lee disdained grappling and similarly claimed he could "bite his way out" of a hold if anyone were able to manage to actually get ahold of him and take him to the ground. In a now-famous incident on the set of The Green Hornet, Gene LeBell (who was working as a stuntman) demonstrated otherwise. and made Bruce a believer (and something of a convert) to the world of grappling.

While Bruce Lee didn't use grappling in his movies-- he understood far better than his detractors seem to think that movie fighting and real fighting are worlds apart-- he had begun to explore it seriously and was training with Lebell when his life was abrupt;y cut short.

[Soul Rebel]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

Fedor = professional fighter

Bruce Lee = actor

Alot of that hit with "these two knuckles" or "these three knuckles" stuff works great punching flat and stationary targets (makiwara) but the human head is roundish, irregular and usually moving. If you land a hard shot square on the pinkie finger knuckle you are likely going to break a ****carpal, don't do that. Otherwise I am not convinced it makes much difference. Focus on keeping the wrist straight and strong and don't worry about your knuckles.

Bruce had pro boxing experience and had a 3 KO win streak all 3 of which were in the first round.

[fightingrabbit]

Originally Posted by Soul Rebel

Bruce had pro boxing experience and had a 3 KO win streak all 3 of which were in the first round.

wtf you serious. What i'd give to watch bruce lee with boxing gloves in a ring.

[Spawned_Fighter]

he hit with the bottom three, i think

[YeahBee]

Fedor main objective seems to be to punch to clinch

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by Soul Rebel

Bruce had pro boxing experience and had a 3 KO win streak all 3 of which were in the first round.

Bullshit.

There is no verifiable professional boxing record for Bruce Lee. A bunch of fanboy sites also list him beating some supposed 3 time champ named Gary Elms. Guess what? No verifiable record for this Gary Elms guy either.

There are places you can dig up fight records for can thats lost every fight of their career fighting in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Bruce Lee doesnt' show up anywhere.

He may have participated in High School level boxing but no real amateur or pro experience.

This stuff has been documented ad nauseum over on Bullshido.

Great athlete, martial artist, and actor, and a hugely influential man, but not a fighter. Sorry sports fans.

If you are going to argue otherwise please provide the sources no one else has been able to.

Thanks.

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by Gregster

I suppose you think that he remains an iconic figure who earned the respect of most or all of the best martial artists of his day because he was an actor?

Bruce Lee researched, trained in, analyzed and absorbed a broad spectrum of fighting styles with a diligence and intensity which is as staggering today as it was almost 40 years ago. The assertion that he was just an actor with some flashy Kung Fu skills-- one which is often made around here and elsewhere-- is absolutely preposterous.

I'm not sure what that all means exactly. In western wrestling and boxing as well as in Judo and BJJ there is basically one standard for competence and expertise and that is performance.

There is nobody in boxing famous for having invented the right cross and having used it in super secret matches against unknown opponents in ancient times. One's resume is ones fight record or ones coaching record. How many fights did you win, against what level of competition and in what fashion? Or how did your students perform? Those are the things that matter to me.

There are, however, great coaches of, students of, writers of, historians of, various subjects that never performed them at a high level. Probably half the guys working as professional baseball managers and football coaches never played at a high professional level. Likewise there are lots of great players that make lousy coaches.

If you want to argue that Bruce Lee was a great student and philosopher of the martial arts as well as an actor, I won't argue that with you. He was not a fighter though. And he for damn sure wasn't a boxer.

[fightingrabbit]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

If you want to argue that Bruce Lee was a great student and philosopher of the martial arts as well as an actor, I won't argue that with you. He was not a fighter though. And he for damn sure wasn't a boxer.

Bruce Lee was a chinese boxer son.

Well, on the topic of Fedor, I always thought he resembled a bear when he swings. His fists are kinda curled inwards and it looks like hes swiping at his opponent. You never really see him throw a real straight punch. Aleks uses the same style of boxing. If i recall correctly, Fedor said there is a reason he swings that way. He even managed to transition his stand up style of punching into his GnP.

You cant escape the fists of fedor!

[johnsic]

Originally Posted by ddran15

Well yea true but he did fight one guy that the chinese sent after him for teaching westerners martial arts.
Anyway back to Fedor. They teach systema to the spetsnaz and the kazakhstan fighters fight reletively the same way, its a more natural way of fighting. So I seriously think Fedor has some knowledge about it, for it is common in the east block. I have cousin that recently got back from a trip to the mother land and his brother in law (who is in the army) showed him the same technique. It's kind of like hitting with a hammer, with focus on causing severe organ damage. They also fight alot with knives and group fighting (which is common in russian streets)

Systema is a scam. It has nothing to do with Fedor or russian military. They train Sambo if anything.