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Old 06-30-2008, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Ughh...first week...outer hips hurt...can't get form down...flexability ='s bad.....

So I have never done any kind of kicking in my life. Last week was the first time that I did any kind of routines. Some observations and questions.

1) The outside of my hips hurt. I think this is do to bad form and flexabilitey issues.

I am right handed and I can throw my left roudhouse decent. It does not hurt my right hip and follows through. For some reason taking the step forward with my right foot seems to help align me better. But when I jump into my right roundhouse I can't for the life of me get into proper form. It is causing my left outer hip to hurt. And advice or good practices to insure proper form.

2) I assume the moderate hip pain is normal. My body is by no means use to moving like this. Should I be training through it? It is by no means the worst pain. Just soar. Especially when my form is way off.

3) Side kick. Ugh...the worst. I can' figure out how properly do this. This is what is hurting me the most. When I do my dynamic stretches I am so afraid to actually build up to max stretch because if I throw it and my form is not correct it hurts. I am pretty sure if my form was correct it would stop hurting because sometimes i do it by accident and it is fine. Any advice?

I guess I am just looking for some freindly guidence...

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Old 06-30-2008, 12:45 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Hi Chad,
I had similar problems when I started kicking. This may sound obvious, but stretching adequately makes a huge difference. The muscles on your outer hip aren't that easy to stretch, so you'll probably have to do some specific stretches just for those. Every time I did side kicks without stretching properly I ended up walking funny for a couple of days afterward.

Regarding the roundhouse kicks, make sure you're pivoting on your foot properly. If you're not, you'll tweak either your knee or your hip. I tweaked my knee a couple of times when I was starting out because I wasn't pivoting as much as I needed to. If you're not pivoting enough, you can easily tweak your hip.
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:49 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Not sure where to begin. Sounds like a ligament in your hip is telling you it does not like what you are doing. Maybe an impingement. Take it slow. You should not be throwing techniques at 100% speed and power first week. Slow it down and learn as your body adapts. Throw very slow kicks and gradually increase the speed.

Obviously stretch the typical muscles. More importantly see if you can "expand the pelvic girdle". That means a basic stretch for the ligaments and a very large sheath of tendons covering the lowed back, glutes and hips. It is easy and feels really good. You also can not really goof it up.

Consider using a stability ball 65CM or 75CM. Simply lay on it so your hips are over the top. Just let them stay there for 10 minutes (very relaxed - nap). After that, rock forward and back. Do it with legs straight and then legs more open. It is a very basic stretch and softly pulls the deep tissue open. After that do typical hip/glute/back easy. Resist the urge to pull.

NEVER stretch to pain. Stretching should not be painful (please no replies about PNF stretching). Massage the area and ice if possible. Throw kicks in-between classes to keep things lose.
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:53 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Hi Chachi,
What's "PNF" stretching? I've not heard of this.

Good advice on the other points.
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:27 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Hi Chachi,
What's "PNF" stretching? I've not heard of this.

Good advice on the other points.
proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:31 PM   #6 (permalink)

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More importantly see if you can "expand the pelvic girdle". That means a basic stretch for the ligaments and a very large sheath of tendons covering the lowed back, glutes and hips. It is easy and feels really good. You also can not really goof it up.

Consider using a stability ball 65CM or 75CM. Simply lay on it so your hips are over the top. Just let them stay there for 10 minutes (very relaxed - nap). After that, rock forward and back. Do it with legs straight and then legs more open. It is a very basic stretch and softly pulls the deep tissue open. After that do typical hip/glute/back easy. Resist the urge to pull.
Can you please share some more information on types of stretches that will accomplish this. In regards to the one you are already telling me about are you saying that I basically use the ball as a support for a back bend. My head would be face the floor and my feet would be planted in front of me? Not sure if I am following

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Old 06-30-2008, 02:59 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Can you please share some more information on types of stretches that will accomplish this. In regards to the one you are already telling me about are you saying that I basically use the ball as a support for a back bend. My head would be face the floor and my feet would be planted in front of me? Not sure if I am following

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http://www.acefitness.org/getfit/str...se_workout.pdf

look under the part that says Prone. It is trunk flexion. i would suggest that you roll forward a little more than the model so your legs dangle. Once more I am not sure that this is your issue.

Longest post ever. Sorry.

We all do muscle stretches. However the deeper tissue (tendons, ligaments and fascia) are frozen together. Very common in the lower back. This area is connected to the hips.

I recently gave the simple ball stretch to someone that I thought had acceptable flexibility. He did bag work and went running. He came back with hip pain. He ran a slow pace with good form. I suspected the IT band and worked (massage and stretches). It was not that.

I had him lay on a stability ball. He told me that his lower back felt frozen and that it was tight (we did not pick up on this with standard stretches). I had him lay on a ball. He relaxed and heard a sound. It was his back releasing and slowly making adjustments. He mentioned that he noticed his lower back stopped making cracking sounds (releases) for a while and it started again.

He did some back rounding stretches and his hip pain went away pretty quickly He also feels more mobility. This may not be your issue but it is common and overlooked.

Any kick-boxing/MT class should have basic stretches. Here are a series of lower body stretches that may unlock your hip and flexibility issue.

Stretching Exercises - Lower Body Stretching - Exercise

Do the stretches but in this order:

Knee to Chest
Knees to Chest
Hamstring Stretch
Hip/Glute Stretch
Spine Twist

off the floor

Kneeling Calf Stretch
Hamstring Stretch
Lunge Stretch
QUAD – different than picture
(do the lunge stretch again but this time reach back and pull up the back foot)
Inner thigh stretch -
YouTube - Physical Therapy Exercises for Back Muscles : Lower Back Exercises for Back Physical Therapy


For stretching, I like to follow a very pain free approach that I call series/cycling. Pick a stretch, and perform it. Do not pull to where you think you can. Do it to 75% of reach.Do it for 10 seconds and switch sides. Perform the same stretch on the first side again and increase the % of reach to 90. Hold for 10 seconds and switch sides. Do it again to 100% (still no stretch pain) and hold for 10 seconds then switch. Breathing is relaxed.

Switch to a different stretches and do that series on every stretch. It should take a while. When you finish all the stretches, go back and do another series holding for 20 seconds each (rather than ten). The principle is to stay under a stretch reflex and switch frequently. You need your back stretch to unlock your glutes, your glutes to unlock your hips, your hips to unlock your flexors.......... Kind of like unraveling a knot in a rope.

This is for slight flexibility but more importantly injury prevention.
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Old 06-30-2008, 04:16 PM   #8 (permalink)

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I will give this a shot over the next few weeks...I must say my lower back does feel frozen at times.

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