Training Ninjutsu

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by surfer dude

I will deny it then. There is so much fail for just 2 frames and the brief explanation provided, where to start? "Windmill your arms to distract and defend any attack" So, he is going to drop to one knee while windmilling. So if an outside leg kick was the first thing thrown, and not that weak sauce excuse for a shuto, that isn't going to work out well.

The "ninja" is built like Pee Wee Herman, so that leg kick that now lands flush in the exposed side, is going to stay with him like broke relatives. The groin reach will be rewarded by a knee or uppercut to the face, or worse.

Everyone, repeat, everyone, thinks they can and will attack the groin and knee in a "real" fight. I have demonstrated for many the n00b how difficult (nigh impossible) it is to pull off when they expect it, and honestly, who does not expect it?

Not remotely the same thing, particularly given the horseshat explanation provided for the "peach grab". The wrestler uses a dynamic and powerful attack, usually performed in the correct situation, or with a proper setup. This fool is windmilling and dropping to a knee and shooting an arm for a groin attack, which against anyone with good stand up, is going to put you on the wrong end of a power shot the windmilling and knee drop did nothing to prevent.

I remember Black Belt magazine back in the 80's (when I actually read it) would always have a self-defense section like the page in the picture, with various systems showing their defense against the same attack. Hayes almost always had some "monkey flying out of your butt stealing a peach" defense, that had way too many steps to hope to make work, or relied on pressure points or some other esoteric ninja tech. HW kickboxing champ Joe Lewis and a few others usually had something that was simple and might or might not be, effective. But at least it was usually quick and dirty.

Dude, you no read my post.

I say again; the guy in that picture is not a Ninja, he's a dreamer, a fraud. It's Ashida Kim, and everyone knows he's just a little crazy and we let them do what they like. Don't take him seriously.

Hayes is a dick too, but.

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by singdawg

Many more than just 2 moves. In escrima there are twelve angles of attack that someone can slash you with, thats 12 different angles to have to know how to defend. They have 2 different disarms from each of those twelve positions. I'd suggest looking into escrima way before KM.

Gun however is only a few different disarms but in a multitude of ranges and situations. Pretty much gun = fucked.

What the fuck is "Escrima"? Sounds like some poor toilet humor...

I suppose next you're going to tell me I need to learn how to defend dragon poles and butterfly swords, katanas and rocket launchers?

A knife can only be held a single way. There's only a single weakness in the grip; through the fingers. You need to learn the move to exploit that weakness.

If someone slashes at you from 12 directions, it's going to be pretty straight forward; you're either outside their guard and you dodge it with your kick ass Boxing skills. Or you're inside at close range, and you're going to have to grab their arm and work your disarm.

You're probably best looking for a big long heavy stick or something to hit them with, but, rather than doing the disarm. I'd only go for the disarm if I had to, like, if my wife was tied up and I fully had to win the fight and could not run or fuck around.

But I don't think you need the entire style. Saying there's so many angles to attack you by, it might be true, but I think you're going into the whole "Step 1: Move your left foot slightly to the right... Step 2: Raise your right arm extended" thing... I hate styles that teach like that; they don't work well anyway; you just get confused. If you cannot do something instinctively and freely then it won't work under pressure.

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by random shot:

I assume that because that's a BIG part of there training. I also assume Judo and Greco-Roman guy's will always clinch. I assume BJJ guy's will always go try to get the fight to the ground. I assume boxers will always punch.

Im glad you and your friends are smart enough to forget your clinch training when street fighting but not everybody is.

I remember reading a post on these forums awhile ago i think it was in grappling technique but some guy was saying his friend was a black belt in Judo and got into a street fight went for the clinch as he was trained to do and then was stabbed to death.

So im sorry but i find it hard to believe that majority of people will forget there MA training when in a fight if your taught to clinch everyday for years you most likely will and then unfortunetly you could be killed its simple as that.

You not reply to my post? Why?

I don't agree with the other guy. Clinching does work; knowing how to quickly step in, elbow someones jaw and then throw them to your feet is not a bad thing. If you do it quickly, it'd probably work out faster than plain striking would.

Anyway, do you think Ninja practitioners will abandon their lunge punch training on the street? That'll be hard... since you wanted to go there.

[random shot:]

Originally Posted by SarahSunwalker

You not reply to my post? Why?

I don't agree with the other guy. Clinching does work; knowing how to quickly step in, elbow someones jaw and then throw them to your feet is not a bad thing. If you do it quickly, it'd probably work out faster than plain striking would.

Anyway, do you think Ninja practitioners will abandon their lunge punch training on the street? That'll be hard... since you wanted to go there.

I thought i did reply unless you did another 1 which post u want me to reply to? Also Escrima is a lot like Kali but with grappling in it. Also i don't know what the lunge punch is so i won't comment on that

[surfer dude]

Originally Posted by SarahSunwalker

Dude, you no read my post.

Guilty as charged. I went back and read them.

I say again; the guy in that picture is not a Ninja, he's a dreamer, a fraud. It's Ashida Kim, and everyone knows he's just a little crazy and we let them do what they like. Don't take him seriously.

I certainly was not taking him seriously, but it is good to know now, that he is just another delusional scam artist and that was not a legit system. Windmill your arms? That is right out of a bad Kung Fu flick.

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by surfer dude

Guilty as charged. I went back and read them.

I certainly was not taking him seriously, but it is good to know now, that he is just another delusional scam artist and that was not a legit system. Windmill your arms? That is right out of a bad Kung Fu flick.

Take a look at this fucking stupid shit:

YouTube - Ninja Sentry Removal Techniques 1 of 5

That's the same guy. He's crazy.

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by random shot:

I thought i did reply unless you did another 1 which post u want me to reply to? Also Escrima is a lot like Kali but with grappling in it. Also i don't know what the lunge punch is so i won't comment on that

Never mind. I think we're all confusing ourselves.

Anyway, a lunge punch is this:

YouTube - Kinji-Te, the Forbidden Fist of the Ninja

You commonly see "Ninja" training to block these unrealistic and overly committed punches that nobody throws in real life.

Also, this is the same guy in those monkey eating the peaches pics and stuff. He's not 100%.

Still, hehehe, I have seen a lot of "Ninja" stuff like this around. It's sad.

[Too Defensive]

Originally Posted by random shot:

So im sorry but i find it hard to believe that majority of people will forget there MA training when in a fight if your taught to clinch everyday for years you most likely will and then unfortunetly you could be killed its simple as that.

Hence the weakness of sport fighting. You fight as you train. People always say "Well a thai fighter can also attack the eyes the groin etc". But they are not programmed to do so. On the street, they are thinking of the moves they have learned in training, which of course are brutal. However, a TMA guy who is trained to attack eyes, groin etc will be programmed to do so on the street.

[polsarc]

Originally Posted by Too Defensive

Hence the weakness of sport fighting. You fight as you train. People always say "Well a thai fighter can also attack the eyes the groin etc". But they are not programmed to do so. On the street, they are thinking of the moves they have learned in training, which of course are brutal. However, a TMA guy who is trained to attack eyes, groin etc will be programmed to do so on the street.

Are there rubber wangs and eyes that the TMA guys practice on? Obviously they don't practice on a live, reacting person, right?

That's like saying... you're learning how to punch someone just by punching an inanimate object all day, without sparring against someone. Except replace punching with groin/eyeball attacks.

Oh and sport fighting may have it's weaknesses, but the fewer the rules the more it approaches reality. When TMA guys spar, do they have fewer rules than MMA? Or more? I'd say TMAs are less realistic then. Too realistic, and the people in TMAs are infertile, blind, etc.

Btw, the cops in my city train in Muay Thai and BJJ... not ninja martial arts or TMAs like Kung Fu.

[Supereem]

Originally Posted by random shot:

I could give you a 500 page lecture on why what you said was wrong but i don't want to waste my time typing it up and posting it so i just said NO i disagree with 99.99% of what you said you are wrong you don't know what your talking about that's all i have to say. If you want to know why your wrong do your own research.

Ok then smart ass.

Find me ONE credible non bias source that shows that the classic ninja existed in pre Meiji Japan.

Common, Im waiting Mr. 500 page lecture.