Training Ninjutsu

[Supereem]

Originally Posted by polsarc

Are there rubber wangs and eyes that the TMA guys practice on? Obviously they don't practice on a live, reacting person, right?

That's like saying... you're learning how to punch someone just by punching an inanimate object all day, without sparring against someone. Except replace punching with groin/eyeball attacks.

Oh and sport fighting may have it's weaknesses, but the fewer the rules the more it approaches reality. When TMA guys spar, do they have fewer rules than MMA? Or more? I'd say TMAs are less realistic then. Too realistic, and the people in TMAs are infertile, blind, etc.

Btw, the cops in my city train in Muay Thai and BJJ... not ninja martial arts or TMAs like Kung Fu.

Sport fighters > Fat losers who are too unathletic to compete so do fantasy ninjutsu so they can boast about nonexistant skill.

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by Too Defensive

Hence the weakness of sport fighting. You fight as you train. People always say "Well a thai fighter can also attack the eyes the groin etc". But they are not programmed to do so. On the street, they are thinking of the moves they have learned in training, which of course are brutal. However, a TMA guy who is trained to attack eyes, groin etc will be programmed to do so on the street.

How come you think that we do not also train and talk about street fighting just because we also practice in the ring? That's pretty dumb.

Yes, as I say many times, elbows to the throat or eye gouges from a clinch are very easy. As are knees to the groind.

There are only a few moves forbidden in Muay Thai, you know, and the only reason they're forbidden is because we want careers, not wheelchairs. It does not mean we do not know them or train them.

But these few moves, just striking the throat, groin and yes... are they really so complex that they effect the effectiveness of an entire style? No.

The only difference between fighting in the ring and not fighting in the ring is one way you get more experience and practice and the other way you don't. I'd prefer to practice some more.

Originally Posted by polsarc

Are there rubber wangs and eyes that the TMA guys practice on? Obviously they don't practice on a live, reacting person, right?

Muay Thai is a traditional martial art. It kicks your ass.

[random shot:]

Originally Posted by Too Defensive

Hence the weakness of sport fighting. You fight as you train. People always say "Well a thai fighter can also attack the eyes the groin etc". But they are not programmed to do so. On the street, they are thinking of the moves they have learned in training, which of course are brutal. However, a TMA guy who is trained to attack eyes, groin etc will be programmed to do so on the street.

Exactly

Originally Posted by polsarc

Are there rubber wangs and eyes that the TMA guys practice on? Obviously they don't practice on a live, reacting person, right?



Oh and sport fighting may have it's weaknesses, but the fewer the rules the more it approaches reality. When TMA guys spar, do they have fewer rules than MMA? Or more? I'd say TMAs are less realistic then. Too realistic, and the people in TMAs are infertile, blind, etc.

Actually we practice eye gouges and strikes on live resisting opponents we wear gogoles when we spar as to strike the plastic on the eye perfectly and master the techniques without hurting our partner.

Also there is 1 rule when TMA's spar so hence less than MMA obviously.

Originally Posted by Supereem

Ok then smart ass.

Find me ONE credible non bias source that shows that the classic ninja existed in pre Meiji Japan.

Common, Im waiting Mr. 500 page lecture.

Find it yourself your not my teacher im not doing a assessment for you do your own home work

[SarahSunwalker]

Originally Posted by random shot:

Also there is 1 rule when TMA's spar so hence less than MMA obviously.

What TMA style are you talking about? We have more than one rule in Muay Thai sparring, sure.

Don't hit too hard.

Don't hit the balls or throat (given wearing gloves, eye gouge no problem, but yeah, don't take his eye out).

If you use elbows, only do them slow with 0 power just to show the opponent he was open.

Usually when they fall and you just let them get up. Muay Thai does not train to have gay sex.

I fail to see you'll have many sparring partners want to train with you if you only used one of any of these rules...

[SarahSunwalker]

Anyway, we don't spar much at my gym. I think it's over rated, anyway. We almost never spar. Doing the pads is a lot more better. Drills and games are better, too.

I don't like it very much. It isn't what makes a good fighter, trust me. It helps mostly only a little. It's important for beginners, but once you start pro competing, you don't really need it and don't want to risk unecessary injury.

[random shot:]

Originally Posted by SarahSunwalker

What TMA style are you talking about? We have more than one rule in Muay Thai sparring, sure.

Don't hit too hard.

Don't hit the balls or throat (given wearing gloves, eye gouge no problem, but yeah, don't take his eye out).

If you use elbows, only do them slow with 0 power just to show the opponent he was open.

Usually when they fall and you just let them get up. Muay Thai does not train to have gay sex.

I fail to see you'll have many sparring partners want to train with you if you only used one of any of these rules...

I do Karate, TKD and Wing Chun and all our sparring is full contact in all three of my school's.

We hit as hard as we can, We use elbow's full power, We kick/stomp on there heads when they fall down.

The only rule we have is no strikes to vital area's groin and throat.

Other than that anything goes and your right most people don't want to spar in Karate if you don't want to spar GTFO!

In TKD and WC we have specific sparring classes so if you don't want to spar don't attend on those day's

[singdawg]

Originally Posted by SarahSunwalker

What the fuck is "Escrima"? Sounds like some poor toilet humor...

I suppose next you're going to tell me I need to learn how to defend dragon poles and butterfly swords, katanas and rocket launchers?

A knife can only be held a single way. There's only a single weakness in the grip; through the fingers. You need to learn the move to exploit that weakness.

If someone slashes at you from 12 directions, it's going to be pretty straight forward; you're either outside their guard and you dodge it with your kick ass Boxing skills. Or you're inside at close range, and you're going to have to grab their arm and work your disarm.

You're probably best looking for a big long heavy stick or something to hit them with, but, rather than doing the disarm. I'd only go for the disarm if I had to, like, if my wife was tied up and I fully had to win the fight and could not run or fuck around.

But I don't think you need the entire style. Saying there's so many angles to attack you by, it might be true, but I think you're going into the whole "Step 1: Move your left foot slightly to the right... Step 2: Raise your right arm extended" thing... I hate styles that teach like that; they don't work well anyway; you just get confused. If you cannot do something instinctively and freely then it won't work under pressure.

Poor toilet humor? escrima is a FMA (Filipino martial art), the FMA's are particularily brutual and scientific.

have you ever tried sparing with a knife? you'll get cut unless you know some particularities about the weapon.

Its not about learning giant staffs, or sticks, those types of weapons can be used, but they still follow the same 12 angles. There is a focus on knife fighting with these 12 angles as knives are small, concealable, fast, and readily available.

If you are going to be attacked by a weapon weilding assailant, its very very likely that weapon will be a knife.

knives can be held 2 different ways, blade out or blade down. Blade out allows more range, while blade down is great for a swift cut and then trapping. The twelve angles of attack, (6 or 7 are used alot more than the others)

ever tried to grab someones arm when they have a knife? if you don't practice this, you have no practical skill. If you do practice, you'll know how deadly they are.

wow, sorry, but I gotta ask what martial arts you've studied...reading the rest of your post.
Instinct is wrong ALOT unless you train your instincts. I've made alot of movements "instinctive". The details are what make someone better. The more you train, the more details you'll be able to see. The more details you are able to see, the more you'll be able to perform under pressure.

see what I mean?

Get a buddy, grab 2 felt pens. try to spar like u would if it was a knife fight. If both of you, as laymen, aren't covered in black ink by the time you are done, please let me know. The training of escrima is intended to minimize the black ink.

[Supereem]

Originally Posted by random shot:

Exactly



Actually we practice eye gouges and strikes on live resisting opponents we wear gogoles when we spar as to strike the plastic on the eye perfectly and master the techniques without hurting our partner.

Also there is 1 rule when TMA's spar so hence less than MMA obviously.



Find it yourself your not my teacher im not doing a assessment for you do your own home work

Again you skip around my question. You are from Sydney too I see. What Wing Chun school do you train at? I use to train Wing Chun with Jim Fung before I realised it was shit and didnt work (before he died obviously).

[ShindoNinja]

Originally Posted by surfer dude

The "ninja" is built like Pee Wee Herman, so that leg kick that now lands flush in the exposed side, is going to stay with him like broke relatives. The groin reach will be rewarded by a knee or uppercut to the face, or worse.

Dude, the picture was a joke - I posted it bc I remember seeing it in a book and thinking it was hilarious. I agree with you, the techniques with a "thousand little steps to get your end result when you opponents does exactly what you expect" will never work in real life...but it can't hurt to drill every possible scenario so that you can recall it if the situation does arrive. There are different types of fighters and styles. I think MT is a super effective TMA... but I also kind of see it like a chain saw. Lots of aggression and strikes going on and your opponent is best to stay out of your way. Some of the more elegant fighters use efficiency and pinpoint targeting to react more to the opponent. Anderson Silva definately uses MT but you see glimpses of his other TMA training and just his own projection of him self and his particular style.

I think street effectiveness is attained with using what works for you. Everyone has their habits and strong attacks/defenses based on their physical attributes and state of mind. It's Bruce Lee's concept of self knowledge and using that knowledge to express yourself completely.

[Nefron]

Wing Chun is for ****s who can't handle real training.