raymond daniels-wcl (standup)

devante · 07-03-2008, 03:59 PM

i know he got tooled at strikeforce; but i was watching his fights in wcl and while im aware wcl is not top notch standup (i.e. k1/boxing/shidokan), still the people in it have exp and skills in various standup disciplines. Chuck norris isn't gonna have guys in there who can't represent the arts correctly, an guy mezger is a coach and he credits the talent/skill level.

either way, what are your thoughts on this guy, i don't find him to be terribly orthodox; but he is awfully dynamic in his striking, i mean to me he would be more of a roy jones type in that his athleticism allows him to eschew traditional or predictable attacks or defenses.

thoughts/opinions

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Soul Rebel 2 · 07-03-2008, 08:23 PM

Hes fun to watch I'll give him that but I think a large componont to his sucess is the WEC fighting surface, I doubt he'll be nearly as sucessful in a ring.

devante · 07-03-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul Rebel 2

Hes fun to watch I'll give him that but I think a large componont to his sucess is the WEC fighting surface, I doubt he'll be nearly as sucessful in a ring.

explain sir-if u dont mind

quikkick · 07-04-2008, 01:56 AM

I'm a huge fan. It excites me to see these kicks pulled off so effectively. Its like a slap in the face in all of these "closed-minded so called" martial artists out there. He should learn some judo throws, a sprawl, and some bjj sweeps and counters.

koreankid6413 · 07-04-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by devante

explain sir-if u dont mind

I've watched and heard of his kickboxing career and while its exceptionally good its not like his WCL record.

The open ring gives Raymond room to move, he doesn't have to worry about the ropes or getting caught up in corners. The WCL bowl I guess as you would call it is a very large circle giving Raymond room to do his jumping spinning reverse kicks and his blitz punch attack.

The concept of the 1 3 minute round can also play to Raymond because he doesn't really have to worry a lot about his cardio and later rounds, you can't take out his legs cause it wont have time to set in.

You can't clinch and knee more then once keeping Raymond from getting KO'ed from someone with an amazing clinch such as muay thai fighters. Plus Raymond has an edge over everyone. He's the #1 ranked continous point fighter in the world.

WCL is almost the same exact concept as continous point fighting and those coming from that background have the most success while muay thai and kickboxers have lower success due to the extremely fast paced fighting of the TMA's.

devante · 07-04-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by koreankid6413

I've watched and heard of his kickboxing career and while its exceptionally good its not like his WCL record.

The open ring gives Raymond room to move, he doesn't have to worry about the ropes or getting caught up in corners. The WCL bowl I guess as you would call it is a very large circle giving Raymond room to do his jumping spinning reverse kicks and his blitz punch attack.

The concept of the 1 3 minute round can also play to Raymond because he doesn't really have to worry a lot about his cardio and later rounds, you can't take out his legs cause it wont have time to set in.

You can't clinch and knee more then once keeping Raymond from getting KO'ed from someone with an amazing clinch such as muay thai fighters. Plus Raymond has an edge over everyone. He's the #1 ranked continous point fighter in the world.

WCL is almost the same exact concept as continous point fighting and those coming from that background have the most success while muay thai and kickboxers have lower success due to the extremely fast paced fighting of the TMA's.

thank you very much for that concise and intelligent response; excellent post and very much appreciated.

i still feel as he is one of the more dynamic strikers, in regards to athleticism; not sure what kind of power he has, but that handspeed and explosiveness

Max Shane · 07-05-2008, 05:20 AM

He's completely legit, and could hang under any rule set. Unique and very difficult to deal with.

Soul Rebel 2 · 07-05-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by devante

explain sir-if u dont mind

As before said the WEC fighting surface makes it very difficult to cut off the ring, it promotes evasion something Daniels is very good at. I would love to see him take his "hands at his waist" fighting style into a ring where he runs the risk of getting trapped in a corner.

koreankid6413 · 07-05-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by devante

thank you very much for that concise and intelligent response; excellent post and very much appreciated.

i still feel as he is one of the more dynamic strikers, in regards to athleticism; not sure what kind of power he has, but that handspeed and explosiveness

his kicks have sick power and his punches aren't a joke either, he's hurt people pretty bad with the power in his punches and they're also fast and can come out of no where.

the thing that scares me about raymond is that even his chin is granite. lawson baker from the texas dragons fought him last year and raymond dropped his hands, taunted him and let lawson nail him and lawson is one of the hardest hitters in the wcl and is far heavier and stronger then daniels and raymond was practically laughing at his punches.

i dont see anyone catching raymond i dont see anyone faster then raymond and its already pretty much a proven fact that no one is technically better at the wcl rules then raymond daniels

devante · 07-05-2008, 06:29 PM

i was impressed and think w/the right amount of commitment to ground game, not grapling; but wrestling, to def those tie ups/clinches, shots. Or even be able to reverse when brought down, if he can get that situated i feel his standup will be incredibly eff; esp w/his athleticism timing, explosiveness and range of strikes