[Kyryllo]

No I don't mean you would consider it wrong since you know the difference, i'm just speaking about the people in the US I had to do with, who don't have any idea about the variety of the technique in the art.

The thing with europe is that you actualy cannot make a living from teaching martial arts or any other sport and if you realy decide to be a trainer you do it out of passion and not for the money. If you still try to make a living fro it then you need to bring even more passion in what you do. McDojoism is mostly eleminated then. We also don't have competitive sports in schools, which makes you realy search for the sport you like and not just pick one from the curiculum.

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thanks again for another pretty kick

[aaron_mag]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

No I don't mean you would consider it wrong since you know the difference, i'm just speaking about the people in the US I had to do with, who don't have any idea about the variety of the technique in the art.

The thing with europe is that you actualy cannot make a living from teaching martial arts or any other sport and if you realy decide to be a trainer you do it out of passion and not for the money. If you still try to make a living fro it then you need to bring even more passion in what you do. McDojoism is mostly eleminated then. We also don't have competitive sports in schools, which makes you realy search for the sport you like and not just pick one from the curiculum.

Yes yes! That is also what they told me about the competitive sports in schools things. The reason Judo is virtually dead here is because wrestling is a school sponsored sport. It makes a big difference as to who takes martial arts. So many in high school and university do the school sponsored sports (I did it as well).

It is almost impossible to make a living teaching martial arts in the U.S. as well. Almost every instructor I know has a day job (including myself), but has a passion for martial arts (or a saintly wife who brings in the money, health insurance, etc).

There are, however, some real bastards that do things like contracts and the like who do make money from their schools. They have stores in their dojangs where they sell all sorts of stupid t-shirts, nunchucks, throwing stars, etc, etc, etc. They do tend to piss me off a bit because they give all of us a bad reputation.

Most of the instructors I know personally actually have a tough time making any money at all. On the one side they have the organization which is trying to squeeze their school for as much money as possible and on the other side they want to make it affordable for their students because it hurts them to see talented students drop out because they can't afford it. So they keep their monthly dues low to make it affordable while the organization is making money by raping students for the promotion fees (which are outside the instructors control).

But what is an instructor to do? He leaves the organization and then his students don't get to go to big tournaments or feel like they are part of a big federation. This side of martial arts (the business side) is all screwed up. I've seen so many fractions of organizations over money issues...and it is the competitors who lose out. They don't get to do what they really love to do, which is compete with as many people as possible.

Hopefully you guys don't have as much of this sort of political BS in Europe!!!

Ha ha. But none of this has anything to do with a spinning hook kick!!!

[Kyryllo]

We have politics in our federations but it goes less about the money of the sportsmen but the money from the athletic commisions and some politics about the national squad. Here you pay 300 euro per club and 5 euro per student a year to the German TKD Union (wtf), which is not much, but you also recieve support from from the city and state, like money training facilities etc.


BTW:
here's the second version of the kick
Spinning hook kick tutorial version 2

[peregrine]

thank you.

[KravMachado]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

Here's a tutorial I promissed. I will also make an other tutorial of a slightly different way to through the kick. I have a headacke from spinning around the half of the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8nh9hF_yOA

Step by step, basics:
Turn around 180°
bend the supporting leg a little
stick your butt out
watch over the shoulder
the upper body rotates somewhat in the kick direction

hold your kicking leg loose but straight
throw it in an arcuated motion
stretch the supporting leg
the hip leads the motion not the leg!
bend down your upper body
the angle between supporting leg and body should not be under 110°-120°
the shoulder/scapula point to the target

shortly before the foot reaches the target rotate the upper body in the opposite of the kick direction while flexing the gluteus which give the leg the last bit of acceleration

when hitting the target the leg is straight
after hitting the target you can bend the leg or just swing it out

Practice the kicking motion on the wall like it is shown in the video, while doing it make sure both of your hands are on the wall when you do the kick and release them only as soon as you "hit the target", other wise you could over turn the body which would mess up the whole technique. Don't swing the arms too much. If the basic technique works try to begin the kicking motion while turning around as it is shown around sec. 00:40 into the video, faster.

A good kick, but the guy is not looking at the target first. You shouldnt throw the leg until your head is all the way around and you have seen the target first. I always was successful because I didnt think of it as a "spinning" kick rather than a turn around kick.

You're turning around your head first, then everything else you said. Otherwise, as Dennis Alexio once said: "It's just a movie kick!"

[Evil Eye Gouger]

Originally Posted by KravMachado

A good kick, but the guy is not looking at the target first. You shouldnt throw the leg until your head is all the way around and you have seen the target first. I always was successful because I didnt think of it as a "spinning" kick rather than a turn around kick.

You're turning around your head first, then everything else you said. Otherwise, as Dennis Alexio once said: "It's just a movie kick!"

Sorry, but I disagree with this.

If you turn your head around first, you are leading the kick with your shoulders, and following with your hips. You won't get anywhere near the speed or power of a spinning hook kick.

With turning kicks, you have to pick an opportune moment and use it. Commit to the kick. The kick should take less than half a second from start to finish. Either you chose the right time or you fucked up, there is no time to change your mind in the middle.

By turning your head around first, not only can everyone see what is coming from an airplane and step right behind your kick before you even launch it, but you are cheating yourself out of speed and power.

This is generally something taught by really old-fashioned TMA teachers who don't have much full-contact experience, or at least it has been in my case. Most people who have competitive fighters don't do it like that.



Oh, and a wonderful series of instructionals, Kyryllo. I've pointed them out to some TKD friends of mine already.