[Paedde]

Originally Posted by ambertch

I think you missed the posters' point.

So there is a distinction we have to talk about here between "studied Kyokushin" and "is a Kyokushin fighter". Can a KK fighter in K-1 go back to a Kyokushin tournament and fight the same style? NO, so I don't think he is fighting KK in K-1.

Did Andy Hug study Kyokushin? Yes.
But when he was fighting in K-1 did he TRAIN in kyokushin? I seriously doubt that, because you would have train differently given Kyokushin rules, just like if I'm training for boxing I would duck down and go for body shots all day long because my boxing opponent will never kick me and I don't need to worry about eating a roundhouse to the face if I go low for body punching. Similarly I'll be sideways and stick my leading foot out all day long, because my opponent will never go for a takedown.


Similarly if a Kyokushin fighter were training for KK he would never practice parrying, blocking, and slipping jabs and straights because punches to the face would never come. It would be a gigantic waste of time and he'd probably lose the Kyokushin fight spending time practicing these useless techniques. But I'm sure they'd be training those techniques if they were preparing for a K-1 match, lest they get KTFO!

Andy Hug wasn't allowed, because at that time you were expelled from the organisation for going pro. But he said he wanted to go back as soon as he retired, what sadly never happened...

And believe me, they can go back and do knockdown. Filho for example...

You could say the same about Boxing, MT whatever... But I know, MA bashing is cool....

If that what you try to said would be true, there would be just Kickboxers in K1 and Vale Tudo Guys in MMA. But it's not that way, because you can crosstrain. Every MA has it's specific rulesets (which are needed in my eyes) and trains for it.

[yodaman]

Originally Posted by KenWatanabe

I just find it fascinating that NOBODY was talking about kyokushin until a few years ago when Bas Rutten said it was one of the styles he attained black belt in. Then all of a sudden people said

Yeah I have a brown belt in Kyokushing, or I take kyokushin.

One of the biggest bandwagons ever created for a fighting style ever in such a short time, only AFTER a major HOF MMA fighter stated it was his style.

That's because BRIG. (Bas Rutten is God)

Hug left Kyokushin to join Seidokaikan, a KK offshoot that didn't give a crap about fighting pro (and later founded K1) He wasn't the first and wasn't the last. Oyama's declaration to prevent KK from being taken in a for-profit direction came back to bite him in the ass later on.

[kickthenuts]

by the way, not just Bas Rutten , George St Pierre's original martail art, his foundation ....black belt in Kyokushin

in England many of the best bouncers are traditional karate guys and they hit the sweet spot like a boxer

[devante]

Originally Posted by kickthenuts

by the way, not just Bas Rutten , George St Pierre's original martail art, his foundation ....black belt in Kyokushin

in England many of the best bouncers are traditional karate guys and they hit the sweet spot like a boxer

VERY TRUE I HAVE MET A FEW FROM OVER THERE AND HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING MY ASS HANDED TO ME BY THEM; THEY ACTUALLY APPLIED TEXTBOOK KARATE STRIKES EFF AND CLEANLY; I WAS THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED.

[blanko]

if you are talking about "original styles" then bas is a TKD fighter...

[vince89]

I have Bas's DVDs and he says:

"People say in the Karate World, this is where I come from, the Kyokushin Karate World..."

[yodaman]

Originally Posted by vince89

I have Bas's DVDs and he says:

"People say in the Karate World, this is where I come from, the Kyokushin Karate World..."

Bas- In Jiu Jitsu, you have to earn a black belt. You can't just buy one like in Tae Kwon Do.

Quadros- Bas, do you have any black belts?

Bas- I have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do.

[ambertch]

Originally Posted by Paedde

If that what you try to said would be true, there would be just Kickboxers in K1 and Vale Tudo Guys in MMA. But it's not that way, because you can crosstrain. Every MA has it's specific rulesets (which are needed in my eyes) and trains for it.

I'm not blind, of course there are guys who do k-1, pride, and whatever org all with different rules.

My point was, a professional fighter does not train the way you and I train (working towards general martial aptitude)

Since after a fighter takes a fight he spends I dunno say 3 months training for the specific fight against that opponent, during THIS TIME is what I was talking about. I'm saying that during the time if a fighter who did both KK and K-1 was training for an upcoming KK tourney he would probably not place much emphasis on his headwork. But of course after that tourney he's got a scheduled K-1 fight and I don't expect he'd be placing much emphasis on grabbing onto his K-1 opponent's nonexistent gi (or i dunno, sorry I never did KK so I don't know the KK specific techs and strategies).

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by ambertch

I'm not blind, of course there are guys who do k-1, pride, and whatever org all with different rules.

My point was, a professional fighter does not train the way you and I train (working towards general martial aptitude)

Since after a fighter takes a fight he spends I dunno say 3 months training for the specific fight against that opponent, during THIS TIME is what I was talking about. I'm saying that during the time if a fighter who did both KK and K-1 was training for an upcoming KK tourney he would probably not place much emphasis on his headwork. But of course after that tourney he's got a scheduled K-1 fight and I don't expect he'd be placing much emphasis on grabbing onto his K-1 opponent's nonexistent gi (or i dunno, sorry I never did KK so I don't know the KK specific techs and strategies).

Why should he train for 2 different rule sets at one time? Do you think a MT fighter will work on his clinch when he has an upcoming K1 fight? It's the same.

Fact is, KK produces very strong fighter under his rule set and a lot of them can more or less easy adapt to other rule sets with crosstraining.

[Flexwave2003]

Bas- In Jiu Jitsu, you have to earn a black belt. You can't just buy one like in Tae Kwon Do.

Quadros- Bas, do you have any black belts?

Bas- I have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do.

Haha, gotta love it.

Some people hate on Quadros, and I dont know why. Ive always liked the guy.