[Paedde]

Originally Posted by Pro Killer

If I could just train one style for both the street, to compete in it's own sport and to compete in MMA it would be Boxing.
Out of all the styles I have seen imo Boxing is the best, a well trained boxer would ruin anyone else, Im talking strictly stand-up here obviously someone with grappling experience who got a takedown would dominate them.
If I could combine Boxing with anything it may well me KK as the condition you get on your hands would help and like people who have trained it have said it will help you be able to take a body shot. On the other hand though a KK fighter will not punch as hard as a Boxer so a boxer's gloved hand could well hurt more than A KK fighter's bare hand.

Why shouldn't we punch as hard? I learned the exact same punching techniques as in Boxing, including footwork and everything. Just bareknuckle. We just don't spend as much time as Boxing and we don't have things like uppercut trained as much because it's not allowed in tournaments, but the body shots are hard enough, believe me.

But do you believe a boxer would win against MT? maybe, but it's always the fighter. I would never say some MA is the best, there are good and bad MAs, but not a best one.

[Biggiebrother]

Paedde, KK is bareknuckle because you don't punch full contact to the head!

I had a karate guy once diss boxing because we use gloves and headguard. I told him, ok i will spar FULL CONTACT Bare knuckle with you and we will do full contact punching to the head (i've also got a Karate and TKD background so i can handle kicks etc). He didn't take me up on my offer.

Fact is in the street or in the ring , you will face punches to the head more than any other technique. If you aren't ready to deal with it, your in trouble. No amount of body punching only is gonna help that.

It's good that you are cross training with boxing, should work out well

[Biggiebrother]

some of the best full contact kickboxers have a KK background, but they obviously added boxing/MT to their arsenal to get them ready for the ring.

[tankfan]

someone please go watch gerry harris vs anyone then tell me how god kyokushin is for NHB\mma fights.

[John L Sullivan]

Originally Posted by ****lMMA101

In my opinion, kyokushin is just as good as any other striking martial art out there. We can do anything they can do.

You'd have a hard time convincing me, or anybody else who knew what they were talking about, that kyokushin is as effective as boxing, kickboxing, or Muay Thai.

[zenshin]

In the USA Kyokushinkai is not everyones main choice for MMA training, but go to the European MMA/KB scene and primarily everyone has a Kyokushin background for there stand-up especially the Dutch fighters.

[TsukinoKage]

Dutch Kickboxing evolved more from a blend of Kyokushin and some Western boxing, than from Thai style.

The funny thing is that modern Dutch style is all about combinations, and Thai style is more one-shot type, but if you look at Kyokushin it's mostly taking hard, single shots.

You would think that because of it's derivative style the Dutch would have a more one-off power shot style, but I guess that's the boxing influence then.

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by Biggiebrother

Paedde, KK is bareknuckle because you don't punch full contact to the head!

I had a karate guy once diss boxing because we use gloves and headguard. I told him, ok i will spar FULL CONTACT Bare knuckle with you and we will do full contact punching to the head (i've also got a Karate and TKD background so i can handle kicks etc). He didn't take me up on my offer.

Fact is in the street or in the ring , you will face punches to the head more than any other technique. If you aren't ready to deal with it, your in trouble. No amount of body punching only is gonna help that.

It's good that you are cross training with boxing, should work out well

Yes that's why it's bare knuckle and that is why the body shots are really hard, but you learn to take them. There is a big discussion in a KK Forum about headpunches, many offshots have put them in and I would really appreciate that, then I wouldn't need to crosstrain.

Bareknuckle head punching is just bloody, nothing else. There was a kyokushin tournament with headpunching allowed and I bet you never saw that much blood in a tournament... Personally I would vote for MMA gloves + headpunches, but then it wouldn't be knockdown anymore. Crosstrain ftw =)

And for the street factor, if you are trained you should not take more than a few hits to the head (I don't think that someone who is doing MA ever will attack you on the "street"). We also do self-defense technique against those brawl overhands and such things.

For the others who think that KK is just a piece of crap compared to MT, boxing, KB: think what you want, but KK has proven itself a lot of time against those sports in the ring.
And it will be proven again and again, believe me =)

by the way, any KK followers here who train for MMA?

PS: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3-bjEP0uE_A

[blanko]

if you see two 5 year olds fighting, two teenagers fighting, two drunk idiots fighting, two boxers fighting, two k-1 guys fighting, and 2 mma guys fighting.. you will see one thing that is in common. They try to puch each other in the face. It's natura, you take that away and you are taking a large chunk of the natural and technical attack routs of people.

[John L Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Paedde

For the others who think that KK is just a piece of crap compared to MT, boxing, KB: think what you want, but KK has proven itself a lot of time against those sports in the ring.

When did this happen?