[One Time]

Boxing and Muay Thai are totally different in theory and application. Comparing which one is better than the other would be an endless discussion as there are techniques in Muay Thai that boxers would not be able to handle and vice versa.

As far as tarining and learning, I've done both and I will say this. Boxing was much harder to learn and become proficient at because of the different techniques and little nuances. It is the sweet science. Muay Thai, on the other hand, was much easier to learn. The challenging part of MT is being able to take and dish out brutal punishment. My belief is that in Muay Thai, you go 100% with technique and power. Boxing is much more on technique.

[villasenor]

Originally Posted by vangor

Wasn't Kit Cope( a foreigner) a two time world champion. How do you think he'd do against any of the top welterweights in boxing.

the only name fighter he beat was alex gong and gong was sick when they fought, the fight was very close and alex gassed because he couldn't train properly

after the fight, alex offered to rematch him, even for no money, but kit knew he could never in his dreams beat a healthy alex

[schermstorm]

Originally Posted by MCanavan6

Would it make sense to learn to box first and really work on my conditioning this summer, then pick up muay thai when I get back to school in September and have been conditioned and some knowledge of fighting?

Man if you want to learn Muay Thai do it now. There is no reason not to and you will get the conditioning there. Don't worry man everyone starts somewhere just get in there and give whatever you decide to do 100% and you'll be years ahead of the time guys that take their time trying to learn and only giving 50% at practices ;)

[GrazZ]

Originally Posted by schermstorm

lame and NOT true...it all depends on what kind of shape you go into it with. Obviously you will be working new muscles but if you're conditioning are good you'll be able to go 3-5times a week no problem. Chances are you're shins will be sore and maybe swollen and bruised....but that's part of MT, suck it up and kick the pads, and ice afterwards and you'll be pleased with your results. You'll see epsecially at first it will be something you'll either love and hate and if you love it you'll have to MAKE yourself not do it TWICE a day lol...

i've done martial arts for 5 years as well as played competitive basketball, volleyball, baseball and weight train twice a week...im in very good shape and Muay Thai is the best work out i've ever had hands down, my whole body is so sore afterwards....

now this is because, as you said, its new muscles working in new ways...so dont be a fucking macho idiot and claim that right off the bat you'll be able to go 3-5 times a week because, i'll say it again, if you can you clearly arent working hard enough. Im not talking bruises and bumps either im talking muscle recovery time. With time you will obviously be able to build up to that but for a beginner it just wont happen unless you really want to hurt yourself.

Im not sure what kind of classes you go to but with 1.5 hour classes starting with 30mins of hard conditioning and then right into technique work you cant go 3 times a week right after your first class without juicing or sucking back a nice amount of supplements

[cfmuh]

Originally Posted by MCanavan6

I'm going to start learning Muay Thai this summer once I get out of school and have about 4 months before I head back. I will continue training at school but not as often as I have many other things going on. How long does it usually take for someone to learn the basics of Muay Thai? This is assuming 3 days a week for 2 hours a day. I will be training at Sityodtong, if that matters much. I know everyone is different but in 4 months will I have a general understanding of Muay Thai or still be learning the very basics?

I'm from Somerville and from what I hear Sityodtong is very overcrowded. But, still good I'm sure. Good luck.

[schermstorm]

Originally Posted by GrazZ

i've done martial arts for 5 years as well as played competitive basketball, volleyball, baseball and weight train twice a week...im in very good shape and Muay Thai is the best work out i've ever had hands down, my whole body is so sore afterwards....

now this is because, as you said, its new muscles working in new ways...so dont be a fucking macho idiot and claim that right off the bat you'll be able to go 3-5 times a week because, i'll say it again, if you can you clearly arent working hard enough. Im not talking bruises and bumps either im talking muscle recovery time. With time you will obviously be able to build up to that but for a beginner it just wont happen unless you really want to hurt yourself.

Im not sure what kind of classes you go to but with 1.5 hour classes starting with 30mins of hard conditioning and then right into technique work you cant go 3 times a week right after your first class without juicing or sucking back a nice amount of supplements

well maybe i just dont workout hard enough LOL

[GrazZ]

Originally Posted by schermstorm

well maybe i just dont workout hard enough LOL

either that or you're some sort of god...*shrug*

[schermstorm]

Originally Posted by GrazZ

either that or you're some sort of god...*shrug*

OK since you're keeping this going....let me explain something, please There IS life after Muay Thai. Obviously you practice MT and you have put some work into it but just because you are working at it doesnt mean that nothign else is a good workout.
When i started doing MT i had already done some ammy boxing and had a few fights under my belt. I few fights means...a few fight preps.
So someone getting ready for a boxing match means maybe two hour cardio session a day 5/6 days a week for 8-12 weeks. Sure they're different muscles and movements that MT but when you're doing things like plyos and jumping rope, burpees and already doing all the striking practice with your hands all your have less "new" muscles to train in MT.
So you're telling me no matter what you have done leading up to beginning a Muay Thai routine that you can only go 1/2 times a week when you start? Obviously were not agreeing about this LOL
It's has nothing to do with being macho or a god but i will take those as compliments and my trainers will too ;) LOL
Oh and BTW im not saying MT isn't a good workout but you don't know a persons conditioning leading up to it. Some people are just "studs" i think i put in a GOOD amount of work on an average week but i've seen guys that are just freaks when it comes to conditioning and they dont even compete.
So to the TS....go until you cant anymore, then go another round or two THEN take some time off and lick your wounds. Only way to get better is to push that threshold ;)

[GrazZ]

Originally Posted by schermstorm

OK since you're keeping this going....let me explain something, please There IS life after Muay Thai. Obviously you practice MT and you have put some work into it but just because you are working at it doesnt mean that nothign else is a good workout.
When i started doing MT i had already done some ammy boxing and had a few fights under my belt. I few fights means...a few fight preps.
So someone getting ready for a boxing match means maybe two hour cardio session a day 5/6 days a week for 8-12 weeks. Sure they're different muscles and movements that MT but when you're doing things like plyos and jumping rope, burpees and already doing all the striking practice with your hands all your have less "new" muscles to train in MT.
So you're telling me no matter what you have done leading up to beginning a Muay Thai routine that you can only go 1/2 times a week when you start? Obviously were not agreeing about this LOL
It's has nothing to do with being macho or a god but i will take those as compliments and my trainers will too ;) LOL
Oh and BTW im not saying MT isn't a good workout but you don't know a persons conditioning leading up to it. Some people are just "studs" i think i put in a GOOD amount of work on an average week but i've seen guys that are just freaks when it comes to conditioning and they dont even compete.
So to the TS....go until you cant anymore, then go another round or two THEN take some time off and lick your wounds. Only way to get better is to push that threshold ;)

like i said apparently you are a "god"?

i was never referring to you tho to begin with, im talking about the average person walking into MT off the street which i guess i wrongly assumed the TS was, in fact i have no idea what his background is, however i AM saying as a general rule that when you start hard physical activity for the first time you cant do it 3-5 times a week right off the bat....perfect example: weight training, if you start a hard weight training regiment after not doing it for a while (if ever) you need time to ease in to it and the odds of the average person being able to go to the gym 3 times a week right off the bat is slim unless you arent doing the amount of weights you are supposed to be doing.

Your original comment was that my post was "lame and not true", which i think itself was lame and not true....what neither of us clarified was the background you bring to MT, that being said for the average person, i still think 3-5 times a week right away is unrealistic...but yes, to the TS, all im saying is dont get your hopes up of that kind of work out right away. Go as much as you can obviously but i'd say dont be surprised if it takes about a month until you can go 3-5 times a week.

[schermstorm]

Originally Posted by GrazZ

like i said apparently you are a "god"?

i was never referring to you tho to begin with, im talking about the average person walking into MT off the street which i guess i wrongly assumed the TS was, in fact i have no idea what his background is, however i AM saying as a general rule that when you start hard physical activity for the first time you cant do it 3-5 times a week right off the bat....perfect example: weight training, if you start a hard weight training regiment after not doing it for a while (if ever) you need time to ease in to it and the odds of the average person being able to go to the gym 3 times a week right off the bat is slim unless you arent doing the amount of weights you are supposed to be doing.

Your original comment was that my post was "lame and not true", which i think itself was lame and not true....what neither of us clarified was the background you bring to MT, that being said for the average person, i still think 3-5 times a week right away is unrealistic...but yes, to the TS, all im saying is dont get your hopes up of that kind of work out right away. Go as much as you can obviously but i'd say dont be surprised if it takes about a month until you can go 3-5 times a week.

Fine...fine...I'm GOD LOL J/K I dont know. I guess it really depends on the crowd you hang out with and what you'd consider average.
I'm not the best or even blessed with the best work ethic but i do put in work and believe that ANYONE can go 3-5times a week if they WANT to! The aches and pains go away after the warmup ;) lol...