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Originally Posted by likkuid

MT is a ring-sport. In my opinion, it is definately not the most effective standup fighting on the streets - especially with multiple opponents coming your way.

your right that would probably be a gun and a prayer that you can kill them all first or they run away after you shot their friend.

[foofie]

I think that by street fight , the people dont mean ... taking a bat and beating the shit out of someone .

By "on the streets " they mean , in the fight with your mate / random drunk guy in the bar , where you just dont want to beat the shit out of the guy , which you could do with a bat , but just beat him up a little bit so you look like karate kid , but yet you dont beat him up like in a fight for life , coz if you stop you get to look wise and you impress your gf that your not a crazy fucker who likes beating up people

This is the way most think about it in my opinion .


As far as street fights , I preffer staying out of them ,since you never know whats gonna happen , I can imagine fedor getting beaten up in a street fight , and I can imagine that 11years old underweight kid getting a lucky shot on some guy and blablabla .

Really ... the luck factor is just too big . I would compare it to going all in with AA preflop in a 10players game . You never know what dumbass with 23 calls and gets two pairs . Its likely that you'll win , but why risk it , you can win anyway .

[schermstorm]

Originally Posted by baconCrunch

westerners, especially americans have built this ridiculous perception about why japanese called some of their events as "kickboxing"

has not to do with ripping of ones art
but rather, fans did not know what the hell "muay thai" was
the japanese brought and taught muay thai to their ppl.. where teachers and fighters alike referred to the art as MUAY THAI
as they stil do
kickboxing was nothing but a word created by marketers who could easily describe the sport as kicking and boxing contest to fans and newcommers

in japan
the rules and scoring systems of muay thai were seriously altered
that is would be strange to call it muay thai, let alone muay thai with altered rules, etc.
no one has denied where the techniques actually come from

this term kickboxing is used and borrowed by japanese, but also holland, france, russia, the usa, everywhere outside of thai
and 99.9% of events outside of thai are in fact not muay thai rules
so why bother calling it muay thai

^^^ BINGO...
Further proof...I belong to a shooto gym here in Japan. We train Gi,No Gi, Kickboxing!, wrestling etc....There are posters ALL over of Muay Thai and some pictures of Japanese fighters training in Thai camps in Thailand. There are straight kickboxers that compete out of my gym and the Japanese people are not claiming to have "invented" this or anything. They're just marketing kickboxing and yeah they do usually refer to it as Kick...

[RJ Powell]

I like japanese/european scoring system better myself.

Makes for more punching exchanges, and less time in the clinch. Real exciting fights.

[RJ Powell]

Originally Posted by vu

Dutch Thai boxing has its roots in Japanese Kickboxing...

Jan Plas and Thom Harnick were both Kyokushin Karatekas before they learned Japanese kickboxing........which has its roots in Kyokushin with some influence from Muay Thai...hence the heavy punching combinations, but all combos kinda end with a low-kick...

In fact, Mejiro Gym is named after the district in Japan where Kurosaki/Fujiwara had "refined" their Kyokushin mixing it with Muay Thai into what's known as "Japanese Kickboxing" today...

Not sure Thom Harnick's history b/c my coach is an extension of Mejiro (i.e. why we had Rob Kaman here to do a seminar 2 months ago); so I know all that history and stuff...but Harnick was also a super-badass in Kyokushin prior to modifying for "Thai-style" rules...in fact, Chaukiriki means "Borrowed Power" or something in Japanese, paying homage to the Japanese roots of his style of Thai boxing...





Funny how this thread started as a "comparison of styles" and devolved into a retarded "street vs. sport" thread...

Good post, look at my sig. Dutch kickboxing FTW.

Alot of people say thai fighters are better than non-thai, but it really depends on the ruleset.

There will always be exceptions, but under full thai rules and scoring, alot of foreigners don't have a chance of winning.

But the same is true the other way around.

It all comes down to what rules you are training for, and how used to them you are. Thais have been training for full thai rules since they were kids. They're european/japanese counterparts have been training for almost the same amount of time for a different ruleset.

So lets stop bashing nationalities.

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Originally Posted by RJ Powell

Good post, look at my sig. Dutch kickboxing FTW.

Alot of people say thai fighters are better than non-thai, but it really depends on the ruleset.

There will always be exceptions, but under full thai rules and scoring, alot of foreigners don't have a chance of winning.

But the same is true the other way around.

It all comes down to what rules you are training for, and how used to them you are. Thais have been training for full thai rules since they were kids. They're european/japanese counterparts have been training for almost the same amount of time for a different ruleset.

So lets stop bashing nationalities.

+1.

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I dont think its a style. Its more like K-1, where they have martial artist from different styles compete with eachother in a unified rule system which is similar to muay thai. The main difference is the point system.

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i agree with RJ Powell. However, if we look past K-1 in Japan...the Japanese 'style' is basically Muay Thai. Look at AJKF. I always thought thats why some Japanese fighters had more success than other farang fighters in Thailand.