[andrewbc]

Originally Posted by younggunz

If we are comparing two guys of equal reach/skill/balance

there will be a moment at the end of each punch where pure isometric strength will allow him to deliver more power at the point of contact... prime example...if we were to ignore the power generated by the base...the convergent muscles of the pectoral will aid hook power..

youngunz nailed it

[Ted-P]

Originally Posted by Rinksterk

yes



I highly doubt that. My personal experience says other wise. I bench more than most of the guys my size my boxing gym and I have the weakest jab. I always get comments on how I need to work on my jab. It has gotten better after I practiced shucking my hips and use better footwork.

I'm not saying my experience is the same for all fighters. I'm saying that there are way too many variables in fighting to say x leads in y. It doesn't work like that. Most of the pro and amateur boxers I know don't lift a lot of weights much less bench. They strength train, but that's different from what you're talking about. I would need some concrete evidence to believe that bench press = punching power.

There's a bantam weight I spar a lot with and that guy doesn't lift at all. The only thing he does for strength is push ups and chin ups and he hits way harder than me. Yet I lift much more than he can and outweigh him by almost 30 lbs. Guess what punch from him is the hardest for me to deal with? The jab.

blame your suck ass genetics...jk

Don't compare yourself to a more gifted puncher in this situation.

you gotta be the test subject yourself.

[Ted-P]

Originally Posted by Sohei

Even with a standing jab or a retreating jab?

I think you take the phrase arm punching too literally.

[Palakol]

TIP: plant that rear leg (depending on the punch direction) on the ground. this is what they mean by "punching from the ground."

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by Rinksterk

I highly doubt that. My personal experience says other wise. I bench more than most of the guys my size my boxing gym and I have the weakest jab. I always get comments on how I need to work on my jab. It has gotten better after I practiced shucking my hips and use better footwork.

Maybe you dont have the technique down? I never said benching trumps technique, if anything benching should be an advanced addendum to a training routine but Ill be damned if it doesn't help if you already have the technique down.

Originally Posted by Rinksterk

Most of the pro and amateur boxers I know don't lift a lot of weights much less bench. They strength train, but that's different from what you're talking about. I would need some concrete evidence to believe that bench press = punching power.

I think its more of an individual thing. For every fighter that yo name who doesn't bench i can name one who does. Tyson used to bench and do push ups, many MMA fighters bench obviously and it doesn't seem to hinder them too much.

Originally Posted by Rinksterk

There's a bantam weight I spar a lot with and that guy doesn't lift at all. The only thing he does for strength is push ups and chin ups and he hits way harder than me. Yet I lift much more than he can and outweigh him by almost 30 lbs. Guess what punch from him is the hardest for me to deal with? The jab.

Weighted or resistance push ups are pretty much the same as benching your bodyweight.

And I still think a jab, especially a standing or retreating one carries alot more arm power than hip torsion.

This is kind of a weak point, but there are also some karate style like shorin-ryu that teach arm punching.

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by Ted-P

I think you take the phrase arm punching too literally.

No, its just that the arm does play a role in punching.

[kava1]

And I still think a jab, especially a standing or retreating one carries alot more arm power than hip torsion.

This is kind of a weak point, but there are also some karate style like shorin-ryu that teach arm punching.[/quote]








yes a retreating jab is more arm power rather than hip torsion for the fact that you do not plant which in turn is not proper technique, we are all taught to plant and jab ,plant and jab. hip torsion plays vital roles in all punches especially the jab, take away hip torsion from the jab fighter will just keep advancing on you cause the jab would be nothing. to improve power core work, speed training, good stance and good timing.

[Rinksterk]

Maybe you dont have the technique down? I never said benching trumps technique, if anything benching should be an advanced addendum to a training routine but Ill be damned if it doesn't help if you already have the technique down.

I didn't get the technique down. It has gotten better after I got better at shucking my hips and using better footwork. Before that I was just using my arm power. This is according to my trainer.

I think its more of an individual thing. For every fighter that yo name who doesn't bench i can name one who does. Tyson used to bench and do push ups, many MMA fighters bench obviously and it doesn't seem to hinder them too much.

Yes its an individual thing. That's what I've been trying to say all along. Are there any actual examples of fighters getting more KOs after benching more?

I don't agree with them, but a lot of the old school trainers hate lifting (mine among them) so that should tell you its not as clear cut as you make it out to be. I don't know if you noticed, but I'm not saying lifting is bad for you. I'm questioning your statement that benching = punching power. It probably contributes some, but it seems like you're saying benching is work out specific for punching power. BTW I don't where you got this idea that I think it hinders people.

The push ups done by pros I know are not for power. I doubt any of them are doing push ups because they think it'll give them punching power. Having strength is an advantage in the clinch or inside where you can physically push your opponent around. My trainer also thinks its useful for arm endurance. If I asked him it'll give me punching power he'll probably laugh at me.

And I still think a jab, especially a standing or retreating one carries alot more arm power than hip torsion.

Maybe you don't have the technique down?

[afar]

perfecting yur techniqe will give you the most improvment

[TKO419]

Practing punching with dumbells, it increases speed and works the muscles you use while punching, therefore more power.