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Old 04-04-2008, 10:19 AM   #21 (permalink)

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Punching out of CM

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Countering in CM isn't really any different from punching out of anything else. The benefit is that having spent time working on really locking down your structure you get whole body punches rather than just arm punches.

Countering shots is more about timing than about specific counter techniques - it doesn't have to be complex. If you are able to stay in, deflect shots off your structure and keep moving then you are able to throw pretty much whatever you want when the opportunity arises.

The great thing with CM is that less is more. You refine what you are doing so that you are getting effect from everything you throw. Then you can just focus on how you play your game. I counter a lot, I use straight shots to do it and they're pretty similar to what I do when I'm moving forward. The when and where I throw is much more important than the what I throw.

I work alot on using my structure to keep me safe while making simple moves (ducks more often than anything else) to make people miss shots. When they miss I can really open up my countering game. Because my structure is solid, even if I get clipped, I am still able to deliver back shots that do their job. Then I'll bail out into space and make people have to come in and do it all again.

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Whereabouts are you based?
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:26 AM   #22 (permalink)

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Philippines. I can train in Thailand or in any South East Asian Country if there's no CM intructor here in the Philippines.
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Old 04-04-2008, 11:34 AM   #23 (permalink)

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South East Asia CM Trainers

There are a few trainers in South East Asia.

Check out the CM trainers list.

Kon in Singapore and Vince Choo in Malaysia are your best first points of contact.

I know that Rodney is out in Singapore twice this year. I think in June and then at the annual retreat in November.
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Wow, I've never even heard about the CM style. I've done MT for about two montsh and was always weak at blocks, I've always relied alot on bobbing and weaving and slipping for defence. This looks right up my ally but I'm afraid to try and use it, nobody teaches this around my area and if I try and teach it to myself it'll probaly do more harm than good.
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Old 04-04-2008, 02:04 PM   #25 (permalink)

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is CM used to compliment an already strong base in another striking style or is it something a beginner can start with?
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Check out the CM trainers list.

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Have you met any of the trainers from USA, particularly california? I see listed Gary Watahira, Eric Kolesar, Jerry Wetzel, Sam Kressin listed.

I don't want dvds or ebooks, I'd be really interested in flying out for a live seminar but all I see are 2007 information on the website.

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Old 04-04-2008, 04:37 PM   #27 (permalink)

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How do you counter with Crazy Monkey?

I see them block punches, but can they punch back with crazy monkey?
I don't profess to know much about crazy monkey but seeing that gif of rampage shows that it would lend itself well to countering if you turn the shoulders like he did. Say you deflect a straight right with your left elbow and turn to the right slightly, your body is now cocked perfectly to throw a straight right counter.
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WOW!! This is the most informative thread I have read in awhile!
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I don't profess to know much about crazy monkey but seeing that gif of rampage shows that it would lend itself well to countering if you turn the shoulders like he did. Say you deflect a straight right with your left elbow and turn to the right slightly, your body is now cocked perfectly to throw a straight right counter.
Rampage rendered Silvas vicious looping strikes into mere glancing blows off the guard. Silva musta been like "fuck that was my most vicious flurry!"
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:32 PM   #30 (permalink)

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I seem to have started something here...

Ambertch.

I've met and trained with Jerry and Gary W from CA. Jerry is the US team manager and is a truly phenomenal coach - if you want top notch coaching then get over to him if you can. He can be contacted through his site. I know that he is hosting Rodney on the weekend of 17th/18th May this year. I'm flying over from the UK to cause trouble.

Aries

You're bang on the money. With no change to your defensive structure you are able to deliver shots back exactly as you described.

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It can be used either way. We've got people with 20 years training and people who have never done a day in their lives but they're all finding new things training. I've been training for 15 years and training, and coaching, CM has helped me to understand what I was doing right and wrong in the first ten years of my training. On the otherhand I'm seeing new guys come in and just smash any progress curves I have ever seen - I just wish I hadn't spent so much of my early years learning things not to do.
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