[T.J.T]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

Not a Ford man, I take it?

Think you were trying to quote me, but no i hate fords I miss my 454 i owned back when i was a kid, now that was a engin

[baatar]

Almost all my background has been in grappling and only started stand-up training in college. I can say from my own personal experience, TMA has helped me learn to get comfortable psychologically with being kicked and punched at. I know that it sounds stupid, but FOR ME, being repeatedly attacked gave me the confidence to get past the fists and taking the fight into my arena. I chose Kung-fu and it has given me the tools I need (although those tools still need perfecting) but, then again, I'm not looking to submit Jackson. I fight/spar as a sport and only as far and it is enjoyable. I'm not training to kill... It is all about your objective.

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by T.J.T

Think you were trying to quote me, but no i hate fords I miss my 454 i owned back when i was a kid, now that was a engin

Yeah, meant to reply to you. Sorry.

Iff'n you're gonna go with a Chev you gotta go 427... Don't tell me you had a 454 70' Chevelle though. I will fuckin cry if you sold it.

[uppercuts21]

Originally Posted by mvisit1

That about says it right there...It's not the art is the fighter...If you wanna talk trash about traditional karate, I'm sure Machida or GSP would have a thing or two to say, the same goes for Chuck Liddell and Kenpo.

Karate and Liddell just dont go well together. In my opinion Liddell is just an orthodox non-traditional boxer.

[DoomsdayFAN]

Why does Karate never seem to do well against BJJ? Cant the Karate guy "strike" the BJJ guy away?

[Valiss]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayFAN

Why does Karate never seem to do well against BJJ? Cant the Karate guy "strike" the BJJ guy away?

Fundamentally speaking, karate trains strikers to fight other strikers. So they dont see the shoot coming/dont know what to do when they see a shoot coming. This is a generalization however.

[T.J.T]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

Yeah, meant to reply to you. Sorry.

Iff'n you're gonna go with a Chev you gotta go 427... Don't tell me you had a 454 70' Chevelle though. I will fuckin cry if you sold it.

Yeah its hard to find a strong 427 now that isnt in some over priced car. I had a 454 in a 79 half ton chevy that was basicly built for the track, ran low 12's.

My brothers dad had a 67 chevelle SS with a 396 in it, cherry red. Basicly threw that car i fell in love with muscle cars. I always wanted to rebuild a 67-70 chevelle, but with the way gas is going it would cost more then a morgage, so it will probably be a dream unless something drastic changes

[GrazZ]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

It's like this, every second of your training life you spend practicing horse stance, and blocks like gedan barai, age uke, shuto uke, etc., are seconds you could spend learning something that might actually work. This is wasted time. A great fighter can overcome inefficient training and techniques but just think how much better he would be if he started out with shit that actually worked?

Even the best TMA fighters, guys like Lyoto Machida for example, can't make TMA techniques work in combat or competition. Not only do they not work, may of them are self defeating. Blocking full-power, full-contact, low kicks with the hands is a guaranteed way to fuck your hands up and eat lots of tasty counter punches to the head because your hands are too low to defend your head.

If you like TMA for the "philosophy", the camraderie and the feeling of belonging to some ancient warrior society or something, thats fine. If you want or need to have some skills that actually work in a fight, TMA will not only teach you shit that won't work it will give you bad habits that will take years to unlearn. I know. I started off in Shotokan and TKD, and have fucked around with a bunch of other stuff that doesn't work.

MMA, pro KB and MT are full of guys that started out in TMA. Almost all of them have transitioned to a style that uses the same basic punching and kicking techniques as well as defense. Its called evolution.

If you post video of a pro fighter, Lyoto Machida, GSP, or whoever else, in a traditional horse or front stance and using gedan barai or age uke in a fight I will take it all back...

wow, the bitterness of this post is great, i love it

as someone who also does TMA and a Japanese one to boot, i agree 100% with what you are saying....its all true and it goes for the vast majority of TMA's in general, for the most part you learn a stance that is completely useless against anything other than they system it was designed for and a bunch of things that work "in theory" but in practice make zero sense whatsoever for the most part

as for guys like Lyoto and GSP, they use parts of karate in their fighting style but its like 1 or 2 things they've actually taken away from it and still use now, especially GSP

[bellator]

Being a Shotokan BB myself I have to say that NinjaKilla187 is 100% spot on. He's not disrespecting the art, he's just stating how weak it is for actual fighting.
Shotokan Karate has done wounders for me, my health is top notch, my mental status is allways great when i train hard, my balance is great, my center of gravity is very low, anyway the whole deal you think about, when you think about TMA.
However i do agree you spend 85% of your training doing stuff that will NEVER work on a real fight. I mean just like NinjaKilla187, if you have to adapt, why not teach the real stuff that works from the beggining?

[mvisit1]

Originally Posted by bellator

I mean just like NinjaKilla187, if you have to adapt, why not teach the real stuff that works from the beggining?

Maybe because before you learn to be a fighting machine, you need to learn balance, coordination, flexibility, discipline, and respect. Those worthless TMA's aren't half bad at helping people with those.