[ShotokanBB'n'MB]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

This is traditional Shotokan footwork, performed by a recognized master to absolute perfection. The instruction is in Japanese, but you will get the idea. This Oi zuki is a work of art. I spent probably hundreds of hours trying to develop comparable technique. Does this look anything like what Lyoto is using?



http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8844BzvEyMs&NR=1

are you one of those guys who think your supposed to use the exact moves from kata in a fight?

[foofie]

Whats wrong with this mvisit guy ?

NinjaKilla187 did not mean , this with his opinion , you are just overusing it . Somethings are effective , some are not . Some are effective for the majority , some arent effective for the majority. My opinion - lyoto machida is one from lots . And tbh I think he trained kickboxing/ muay thai / boxing , he would be even more sufficient .

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by ShotokanBB'n'MB

are you one of those guys who think your supposed to use the exact moves from kata in a fight?

No, I'm one of those guys that think that training techniques, including Kata, should be usable in combat. And that Ancient Okinawan Folk Dances should be known as Ancient Okinawan Folk Dances instead of figting techniques.

Whats your opinion on Kata? What is it for and why is it practiced?

[DoomsdayFAN]

Well, thanks Ninja and everyone else. I feel I have a bit better understanding now.

But I still have two more questions:

#1: What is it about pure karate that makes it not effective?

#2: Which is the "best" Karate between Kenpo/Shotokan/Kyokushin?

I dont get it... I've asked a few people who practice martial arts about Karate, and they said basically "Karate > Kickboxing & Muay Thai"


(I dont mean to sound like a broken record, I just have a hard time understanding about Karate. All my life I've heard Kenpo was the best. Then I just recently found out about Shotokan and Kyokushin. So Im pretty confused)

[bellator]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayFAN

Well, thanks Ninja and everyone else. I feel I have a bit better understanding now.

But I still have two more questions:

#1: What is it about pure karate that makes it not effective?

#2: Which is the "best" Karate between Kenpo/Shotokan/Kyokushin?

I dont get it... I've asked a few people who practice martial arts about Karate, and they said basically "Karate > Kickboxing & Muay Thai"


(I dont mean to sound like a broken record, I just have a hard time understanding about Karate. All my life I've heard Kenpo was the best. Then I just recently found out about Shotokan and Kyokushin. So Im pretty confused)

#1-What makes pure karate not effective is the fact that you spend hours and hours of training doing reps of technical stuff that you never use in kumite.

#2- This question makes no sense. No style is better than another.

[likkuid]

Originally Posted by bellator

#1-What makes pure karate not effective is the fact that you spend hours and hours of training doing reps of technical stuff that you never use in kumite.

#2- This question makes no sense. No style is better than another.

Disagree.

1) This differs from dojo to dojo. My dojo does 10min of Kata per 60min class. Sometimes less. We do bags/sparring/shadow boxing with Karate technique/conditioning.

2) Had you read prior posts of the thread, you'd realize his question does make sense and is why this topic is 11 pages long. Styles do make a difference - coming down fully to the practitioner is BS IMO. Example: Dim Mak (Death Touch) vs. Muay Thai..or Karate or pretty much anything for that matter. Muay Thai/Karate is definitevely better stylistically.

Kyokushin is definitely IMO the best when compared to Shotokan/Kenpo. Though, the quality of the dojo is really most important in this instance. Scout out each. Go to Kyokushin4Life forums and ask about the Kyokushin dojo you have access to; chances are someone goes there/has trained there/has heard from fellow Karateka regarding the dojo and can inform you whether or not the teaching is up to par.

As for Karateka saying Karate is better than Muay Thai - keep in mind - YOU'RE ASKING KARATEKA I train in Karate and believe Muay Thai is better as a ring sport/general fighting. Though, I further believe Karate is better for self defense if taught in a quality dojo. I did Muay Thai 3 months prior to Karate - I didn't like it (stylistically) and preferred the variety of kicks found in Karate. I'm not talking about high-risk arial kicks and things like that. I'm talking about side kick/spinning back kick, etc. Also, I rather keep my whits and not get consistently hit in the head unless necessary, thank you!

[mvisit1]

Originally Posted by foofie

Whats wrong with this mvisit guy ?

NinjaKilla187 did not mean , this with his opinion , you are just overusing it . Somethings are effective , some are not . Some are effective for the majority , some arent effective for the majority. My opinion - lyoto machida is one from lots . And tbh I think he trained kickboxing/ muay thai / boxing , he would be even more sufficient .

Sounds like you only read my first comment or the first page of the thread. You come in here all late, having not read the whole thread, and you have the audacity to call me out? What's wrong with YOU?

[bellator]

Originally Posted by likkuid

Disagree.

1) This differs from dojo to dojo. My dojo does 10min of Kata per 60min class. Sometimes less. We do bags/sparring/shadow boxing with Karate technique/conditioning.

The question was "why isn't PURE karate effective?" Training bags, and shadow boxing isn't pure karate.

[likkuid]

"Pure" is relative.

[CanadianMMAFann]

Originally Posted by mvisit1

OMFG, you're a genius! You should write a book so that all can be on your plane of enlightenment. We are not worthy.

Is this an attempt to be funny? Because if it is you have a lame sense of humor... ninjakilla has some good points and hasnt rly offended anyone or took away from any martial arts he is just statiing the obvious.