Bullrush defense problems.

IkkussSpikkuss · 11-28-2006, 06:14 PM

I have been training for a long time now in MT, JJ, Boxing, Sambo and some wrestling. I am a tall left handed striker. I am having recent trouble defending against less skilled strikers who just come in "arms-a-flailing" and seeing how I am still fighting in the smaller MMA shows I run into guys like this from time to time. I've yet to get caught to the point to lose a fight to a weaker fighter because of it, but it does concern me. I just don't want to lose to a weaker fighter because of a lucky punch...the thought terrifies me.

If a guy stands at a distance and tries to techinically strike against me I do fine. If he tries to take me down I am confident in my takedown defense. But when they just start rushing in swinging wildly I have been hesitating. I didn't use to be that way, but for the past 1 1/2 years or so I just freeze for a moment. My trainers say its fine because I still win and on tape I look fine, but I don't feel comfertable anymore for some reason. Before I would just react and strike my way out of the situation or just use good reaction footwork or clinch. Now I freeze like I am trying to decide what I should do rather then just doing it. I know I should use head movement and footwork and jab my way out or catch them with a counter, but I freeze for a second and it has led to me getting caught with a few shots that I shouldn't be getting caught with.

I want to work at it, but my sparring partners can't seem to mimick the same type of bullrush. They are still somewhat technical about it and it doesn't feel the same.

First, off did anybody else just all of a sudden develop a lack of confidence when dealing with a stupid untechnical striker doing a bullrush.

Second, how can I drill to get back to my old reaction days. Any ideas?

And third, do you guys have any good ways of countering the 100% offensive bullrush that I, and my trainers, haven't thought of.

Thanks in advance guys.

m3 · 11-28-2006, 08:10 PM

I use to take a sidestep to the right and plant a left hook at them. Dont know if that can be countered in some way

YourMaster · 11-28-2006, 09:00 PM

Front Kick to the stomack, usually neutralizes that pritty quick.

NO-PITY · 11-28-2006, 09:08 PM

Since you are left handed, throw a straight left hand right down the pipe. Or a jab and a straight left hand, followed by a hook, while stepping back at and angle to the right side''

Everything is angles when it comes to someone rushing you

ziggity · 11-28-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YourMaster

Front Kick to the stomack, usually neutralizes that pritty quick.

yeah. if he's moving towards you, a front kick will mess him up even worse. how is your front kick? if you're confident it's fast enough, unload a front kick somewhere in there.

Horus · 11-29-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by IkkussSpikkuss

I have been training for a long time now in MT, JJ, Boxing, Sambo and some wrestling. I am a tall left handed striker. I am having recent trouble defending against less skilled strikers who just come in "arms-a-flailing" and seeing how I am still fighting in the smaller MMA shows I run into guys like this from time to time. I've yet to get caught to the point to lose a fight to a weaker fighter because of it, but it does concern me. I just don't want to lose to a weaker fighter because of a lucky punch...the thought terrifies me.

If a guy stands at a distance and tries to techinically strike against me I do fine. If he tries to take me down I am confident in my takedown defense. But when they just start rushing in swinging wildly I have been hesitating. I didn't use to be that way, but for the past 1 1/2 years or so I just freeze for a moment. My trainers say its fine because I still win and on tape I look fine, but I don't feel comfertable anymore for some reason. Before I would just react and strike my way out of the situation or just use good reaction footwork or clinch. Now I freeze like I am trying to decide what I should do rather then just doing it. I know I should use head movement and footwork and jab my way out or catch them with a counter, but I freeze for a second and it has led to me getting caught with a few shots that I shouldn't be getting caught with.

I want to work at it, but my sparring partners can't seem to mimick the same type of bullrush. They are still somewhat technical about it and it doesn't feel the same.

First, off did anybody else just all of a sudden develop a lack of confidence when dealing with a stupid untechnical striker doing a bullrush.

Second, how can I drill to get back to my old reaction days. Any ideas?

And third, do you guys have any good ways of countering the 100% offensive bullrush that I, and my trainers, haven't thought of.

Thanks in advance guys.

I know exactly what you are talking about. Its kind of comical when your training partners can't unlearn their training. You can liken it to sparring with the same guy. I had a guy that sparred with me regularly and eventually would whoop me all the time. Consistently. But when he sparred someone new, he didn't fair so well, in fact, I went much better against the other guy than he did. Purely because I had more variety in sparring partners.

Everyone fights different, you train/spar with kickboxers all the time, so you are used to that, but a boxer will fight differen again. A brawler/football player will fight differently again. Guys with no training can get wild and be different again, same with TMA guys. You need to broaden your experience with who you spar against. Dunno if you wan't to do this via inter school sparring (with other TMA or boxing clubs) or friendly challenge matches.

Its all about finding holes in your game and fixing them so you don't come up short in your actual fights. Why not contact the guys who bullrushed you in matches and ask for sparring?

Rudy Richter · 11-29-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IkkussSpikkuss

I have been training for a long time now in MT, JJ, Boxing, Sambo and some wrestling. I am a tall left handed striker. I am having recent trouble defending against less skilled strikers who just come in "arms-a-flailing" and seeing how I am still fighting in the smaller MMA shows I run into guys like this from time to time. I've yet to get caught to the point to lose a fight to a weaker fighter because of it, but it does concern me. I just don't want to lose to a weaker fighter because of a lucky punch...the thought terrifies me.

If a guy stands at a distance and tries to techinically strike against me I do fine. If he tries to take me down I am confident in my takedown defense. But when they just start rushing in swinging wildly I have been hesitating. I didn't use to be that way, but for the past 1 1/2 years or so I just freeze for a moment. My trainers say its fine because I still win and on tape I look fine, but I don't feel comfertable anymore for some reason. Before I would just react and strike my way out of the situation or just use good reaction footwork or clinch. Now I freeze like I am trying to decide what I should do rather then just doing it. I know I should use head movement and footwork and jab my way out or catch them with a counter, but I freeze for a second and it has led to me getting caught with a few shots that I shouldn't be getting caught with.

I want to work at it, but my sparring partners can't seem to mimick the same type of bullrush. They are still somewhat technical about it and it doesn't feel the same.

First, off did anybody else just all of a sudden develop a lack of confidence when dealing with a stupid untechnical striker doing a bullrush.

Second, how can I drill to get back to my old reaction days. Any ideas?

And third, do you guys have any good ways of countering the 100% offensive bullrush that I, and my trainers, haven't thought of.

Thanks in advance guys.

Ok let me first say, that I don't fight mma. I do standup only... Let me also say that I am a heavy weight, but unlike you, I am not 6'7 ...more like 6'0 at 225-230lbs currently(will get back down to 220). I am definitely not the slowest person in the ring, but speed is definitely not one of my assests(when compared to 170lbs fighters). I am fairly thick and strong, so I was taught to do the following if I feel overwhelmed and cant circle out/slip etc. the barrage: Put up a strong high guard and march into your oponent as FAST as you can! Once here, he can't hit you as hard, and you have many choices how to procedure(my favorite being to initialize a clinch and knee the fuck out of the brawler or you push off and launch a crazy roundhouse or you could work the body etc. etc.) For me this works great! It might not work for you, and it's definitely not pretty, but frustrate the other guy and steal his thunder.

NO-PITY · 11-29-2006, 02:54 AM

Thats another way to look at it Rudy Richter''

It's actually a very good way to look at it. SO know you have some good ideas'' now its time to smash''

Try these new tactics out and get back to us''

Max Shane · 11-29-2006, 04:06 AM

Develop a good guard, work uppercuts, and clinch if you wish. Good guard being mandatory, the other attacks are up to you.

triplex429 · 11-29-2006, 04:30 AM

i don't know what technique to use really

i just say stick em hard. you know they are coming foward so use some movement to create an angle then hit them with a devestating blow.

they are being agressive with you so do like wise. the guy is trying to destroy you and hummiliate you.

get mad and hit him HARD. get mean and nasty. throw a flying knee. don't let anybody ever come at you like that!