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Originally Posted by Thalion
I dont want say that Strenght is useless in judo.
Strenght is part of Judo, But JU has to be a more relevant part of it.
Look at Kimura, he was strong , fast and phisically trained as hard as the modern Judoka or even better.
I say that today strenght is used to compensate lack of timing or technique. Judo has become more "Muscolar" then in past. It's easy to see 2 athletes stalling in a clinch pushing each other. That's (to me) is not a good judo.
Nowaday referee gave Ippon to throws that arent "perfect". To take an Ippon ur throws have to be fast, power and with controll.
If I do a combination of counters like Seoi Nage to Kata o toshi, slamming Uke on his neck falling on him, they give me an ippon. I don't like that.
To make and examples. Look at a Ride of motorbike. With 2 talented opponents.
One has a technical perfect drive, very clear without making any mistakes.
The other one has a dirty drive, taking more risk riding the bike more phisically.
Both are champion and both are able to win. Someoen like most the first someone got excited by the second. But their drive are different.
Same for Judo.
Russian = more pragmatic and muscolar
Japanese = more aesthetic and technical
To see ? I prefer Japanese. To do? probably russian would be easier to me to take in
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If you think that referees give out Ipponīs too easily, then thatīs an entirely seperate problem, and one I as a BJJ player agree with. That really has nothing to do with the russian style of Judo.
But I think that you are simply approaching Judo from the wrong starting point. Aestetics have no place in a martial art which is, at least to some extent supposed to simulate and prepare the user for real life struggle. The first thing that comes to my mind when someone is asking, "is this throw/submission/sweep/punch/kick/whatever a good technique" is "can you deliver it, and can you sink it/land it on a resisting opponent?" If the answer is yes, itīs a good technique, if you canīt itīs not, no matter how pleasing to the eye it is.
Itīs form vs function, and as long as you spar and compete in an alive manner(outside the Uke/Tori paradigm) then function will always reign supreme over form. Once you start awarding Ippon based on whether you think the technique was beutiful or not then you are IMO diluting the essence of what has made Judo an effective martial art while many others, like Aikido have lost their effectiveness through their obsession with "good form".
Of course good technique is essential, simply because it makes everything easier. There may be a tendancy to muscle throws, in which case you pair the musclehead up with someone even stronger than him - now he must use technique to win!
Itīs obvious to me Thalion that you pine for the glory days of olde when the masters had it all figured out how Judo was supposed to be. I tend to be a forward thinker, and I think that the level of Judo skill and the depth and breadth of techniques is greater today than at any other point in the history of the sport. Itīs evolution baby!!!