[Madmick]

I got off track. The point I was working towards is that if you eat according to these rules, it would be very hard to kill yourself on calories.

Consider: you're eating lean sources of protein, vegetables at every opportunity, and otherwise fruits and other carbs low on the GI index. On top of that you're not taking any calories in via liquid.

Truth be told, I've never known anyone fat who drank nothing but water, except those doing it as part of their diet, and of those, all successfully lost weight. Drinking nothing but water alone is probably enough to help any guy in here lose fat.

I'm not advocating ignorance of calories altogether. I'm just saying if you follow his guidelines, your challenge would be an unexpected one, I suspect. I think you'd find yourself hard-pressed to fill yourself up and then some on those kind of calories to gain muscle mass.