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Originally Posted by vitor 9968
when you are debating someone,you only debate the points that support your veiw on the topic,otherwise you are only debating yourself.
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No, what you are supposed to do is either present both sides of the case (as there is another side that you are trying to 'defeat', afterall), but mainly focus on the strengths of your side, or at the very least acknowledge that the other side exists and try to tear down their argumentation offered. Also, you are not supposed to intentionally call every opponent a fighter has faced as horrible if that is not true, just to 'get over' your point (that's intellectual dishonesty as you are manipulating/falsifying points to satisfy your conclusion; I would hope no one called Ken Norton a 'bum' for getting iced in a round by Gerry Cooney & Earnie Shavers or that Ali's chin is questionable as he was decked by the likes of Sonny Banks in an attempt to bash Ali's achievements). Here's his opening post:
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Louis had no chin. He got dropped by sorry ass guys like Tony Galindo, James Braddock, Max Schmeling, Buddy Baer. He was losing to Billy Conn, who was a middleweight who moved up and was beating Joe Louis which is exactly what was happening to John Ruiz against Jones and Toney and Ruiz gets all kinds of shit for it. He lost his first fight against Walcott but got a gift decison. His biggest wins were against and old Max Baer, and old and useless Primo Carnera, and old Max Schmeling who had previously KOed , Billy Conn who was a middleweight who was winning after 12 rounds, Braddock who sucked and scored an upset over Baer who had no skill, and Walcott who had previously beaten him. So really his only good wins were against Walcott and Braddock. Walcott beat him once and Braddock was garbage. Joe Louis is overated and got dropped by people who dont even really have power. He had heart and always got up but it's against guys like Tony Galindo, How would he have done against the power of Foreman?!?!?!
om Dempsey on excluding people he fought...
I say Louis gets KOed by Foreman, Tyson, Marciano,Liston, Dempsey, Frazier, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield
I say Louis gets outboxed by Holmes, Ali,
I say Louis beats Patterson, Johansen, Tunney
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Calling Schemling, Baer and Bradddock 'sorry ass'? Calling Max Baer 'old' when he was 26? Max Schmeling was 'old' at 33? Jim Braddock 'sucked'? We can go on and on with his debating/argumentative faults, but the point is simple:
Animal Squables was not engaging in a true debate. He was basically calling every achievement of Louis' shit, and therefore he was a horribly overrated fighter with no chin (therefore being intellectually dishonest in an attempt to 'get over' his point). I don't see how this post wasn't inflammatory and flame baiting material.