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Anyone have any experience with these two either individually or in a stack?

I know a lot of people that swear by them but I am still skeptical.

My main questions would be, if you have/are using them what other over the counter supplements are you using with them and what have your overall results been?

My goal is fat loss and conditioning while still keeping a high level of strength and power.

Just a little background I was very competive in MMA, kickboxing and power lifting but am recovering from a nasty string of work injuries that have me fat and slow.

Thanks in advance for any advice.