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Originally Posted by GunsforGuevara
First of all, I am Canadian. I work over in South Korea. Second of all, your debating abilities are quite suspect. Your references have been shown to be from biased sources and your idea of a dialogue consists of hyperbole and and misappropriating facts to suit your doomsday 'conspiracies'.
Go to LEGISINFO - The Library of Parliament's research tool for finding information on legislation to read the legislative summary on bill C-51.
Here's the purpose of the bill:
Here's the part about 'health products'
Here's the protocol stated for natural health product manufacturers:
What exactly is wrong with this part?
This part discusses the enforcement of the rules:
Notice if you actually read any of this, that the first part sets rules for manufacturers. The second part may seem harsh to you. But what I see is good police enforcement against the businesses that peddle such bullshit. As long as companies follow the standards (i.e; obtain licenses, conduct legitimate clinical trials, or be truthful about their product) set forth, there should be no problem.
Why should health companies not be subject to the same standards just like other products? |
I don't understand? I have biased sources when they are coming from the bill themself? and stopc51.com site? You should really take the time to read and understand the entire bill, instead of picking out little parts which support your argument.
BTW you're talking about the natural health companies that peddle such bullshit???? clearly you have never gone or used a natural health product on your entire life..because If you did..you would realize how effective they are, and no it has nothing to do with somebody selling you horns and claiming they cure cancer. Take the time to find out more about it, and the truth will come soon enough..until then you are just making biased points that are completely taking away your argument..
I don't understand how you can claim my arguments are biased from bill c-51, almost all the information I posted CAME from the bill it self..or the stopc51.com site. Are they biased and lying too?? are they all tin foil hats claiming dooms day as well?? for wanting to keep their rights and freedom to a healthy clean lifestyle intact ?
I'll agree to disagree if you do, because you really need to start looking at the situation for what it really is...This bill has everything to do with regulating and criminalizing natural health products in the wake up big pharma, which is what you really need to realize. There is far going on than meets the eye, and if you actually took the time to read majority of the stuff on stopc51.com site or read the bill..you would realize that there is some things that are deathly wrong with this bill.. This bill has nothing to do with regulating the products, and has everything to do with big pharma taking control of an industry..notice how New drugs will now be able to get passed through the FDA much easier, regardless of how dangerous they are?
Bill C-51 Will:
Allow Government agents to:
-Enter private property without a warrant Section 23 (4)
-Confiscate your property at their discretion, at your cost Section 23.3 a
-Dispose of your property at their discretion, at your cost Section 23.3 c
-Seize your bank accounts without a warrant Section 23 (2) (d)
-Charge you for shipping and storage of your property Section 23.3a-b
-Store your property Indefinitely without paying you for damages Section 23 (2) (d)
-Levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 / 2 years in jail per offence. Section 31.1
Introduce new legislation that will:
-Allow laws to be created in Canada, behind closed doors, with the assistance of foreign governments, industrial and trade organizations Section 30.7
-Allow "Crack house style" of enforcement on natural health providers Section 23.1
-Allow enforcement to be considered on more than 70% of Canadians who use NHP's Health Canada Reference
-Allow the minister, based on opinion, to shut down research without any scientific reason or evidence of risk or harm Section 18.5
-Allow the minister, based on opinion, to allow or disallow market authorizations for Natural Health Products Section 18.7 (1)
Can Health Canada be Trusted With the Police State Powers Sought For In Bill C-51?
Cartoon related to bill c-51-Causing Deaths Through Enforcement Actions
-Filing of Falsified Court Documents
-Attempting to Bankrupt Businesses
-Falsified Charges
-Enforcing Regulations Against Constitutional Rights
Is this information biased as well? It's from the bill.. I don't know if you realize how much freedom and constitutional rights this is taking away from everyday citizens like me or you, Beyond the "dooms day theories" and the "tin foil hat remarks" you should at least see that..Of course there is more disturbing things about this bill then that, this is one of the main things to get people on board with fighting against it.
To this day i truly can't believe how there are even people that are for this bill, because they are either uneducated..or just plain stupid ( no offense)
I don't think you're like that..but you're confused about what is really going on. Go with your feelings and intuition..they don't lie, however..I cant say the same about "unelected officials"