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Old 05-26-2008, 02:43 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Clarify this for me- do you mean genetically or linguistically? Linguistically there is no argument. The reconstruction of PIE is the single greatest and most proven theory in the history of Linguistics, anyone who argues that the model might not be true is a complete moron.
I mean both. Linguistically, certainly. Genetically, not as strong, but almost as much.

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But if you mean genetically, I'd be more careful. More likely to be Caucasoid, sure, but to be of the same ethnicity/have the same ancient ancestors, not so much. Persians and Chinese probably saw a lot more of each other than Persians and Irish did, and in Western Europe IE speakers came into lands that were already occupied by earlier settlers. We know this from genetic evidence in the British Isles (it's the subject of the book Vikings, Saxons and Celts), and from Archaeological evidence in Greece and Anatolia. In the North it stares us in the face; Finns and Lapps still exist in the same lands Germanic peoples hit up three thousand years ago. And the tricky thing for the ethnicity argument is that all these peoples were generally of the Caucasoid type, with some small variations. Throw in super family theories like Nostradic and you have even more problems (this is a theory that suggests PIE, Altaic and Finno-Ugric were originally one language).
I base my argument along the y-chromosmone phenotypes most common in Europe and amongst Persian (I.E. non-ARabic or Turkic) Iranians. Namely, R1A1, R1b, and I. This strongly suggests that at least on the paternal side, there was a people who spread alongside the Indo-European languages and civilizations. It is not as strong, again, as the linguistic ties, but it paints a very convincing picture.

We also must speak of the religious connections. Iranian, Hindu, Germanic, Greco-Roman, and Celtic divinities share cognates and loose placements with one another. Examples: Aesir (Germanic), Asura (Sanskrit), and Ahura (Persian). Zeus (Greek), Dyeus Pita (Sanskrit), Tiwaaz/Tyr (Germanic).

It is actually qutie reasonable to assume that PIE and Finno-Ugric and Altaic have a common root even further back, although I am not aware of enough studies that prove that consistantly. But then we'd be getting back to the tens of thousands of years prior, as opposed to the last 6,000 or so.
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