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Old 05-12-2008, 11:39 AM   #53 (permalink)
Bill Baker
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Originally Posted by Thaiboxer18 View Post
Wow you are barely literate. Anyone who puts in faux laughter that much to make himself feel better is either 13 or retarded or both. The only pwning you have ever been involved in was when God pwnd your mother by making her give birth to such a stupid child.

As usual, your post is childish gibberish without any merit. Somehow, according to you, Israel put Hamas in power. That is funny, I thought that when the Palestinians voted for Hamas, they put Hamas in power. Silly me thinking that Arabs are capable of personal responsibility. Once you start going down a chain of attenuated events, you can blame anyone for anything, so let's focus on what actually happened, that being the Palestinian people electing a group that by its charter is committed to the destruction of Israel.

I see you are keeping with your theme of "Arabs are incapable of personal responsibility, any action that Arabs take is caused by Israel, those crafty Jews are to blame, they are always responsible" by saying that Israel is responsible for Egypt's decision to build a SEPARATION WALL from Gaza. In your feeble mind, Egypt is not autonomous, Egypt could not have any independent reason for wanting to avoid Hamas, and they are again simply weak-minded Arabs who have been manipulated against their will by the crafty Jews. Sure, Mubarak has taken very harsh steps to curb potential power of Islamist parties in Egypt, but that too is probably because teh Jews told him to. In fact, every time any Arab country takes any action that is not "pro-Palestinian," it is clearly caused by Israel.

Similarly, according to your weak logic, Egypt won't let Gazans cross in because of Israel. Sure, there is the fear that the Gazans could cause political turmoil or get the Egyptian masses riled up or smuggle weapons used to start a war that would have regionwide implications, but it is much easier to simply say that it is Israel's fault. The simpler the view, the better.

The rest of your "points" are almost too stupid to even respond to. LOL at Israel tolerating violence towards Palestinian civilians; pot, meet kettle. Hamas encourages suicide bombings and rocket attacks aimed at civilians; stop being such a fucking hypocrite. Should Israel have settlements in the WB? No, but the fact that they are Jewish only settlements has nothing to do with it. Jordan has a law that Jews cannot be citizens, Saudi Arabia won't allow Jews to even enter its country, and Jews were chased out of most of the region despite living there for thousands of years. Cry me a fucking river about Israel having Jewish only settlements. If the settlements were mixed between Jews and Palestinians, the latter would do everything possible to kill as many of the former as possible, but I guess that is ok with you. In your tiny brain, Israel should not be concerned about protecting its citizens, but should merely work to appease the Palestinians.

Before you whine about the number of civilians killed (and the term civilian is dubious from a Palestinian perspective anyways), look at the percentages of civilians killed vs terrorists/soldiers killed. You will find that Israel kills a much higher percentage of militants than vice versa. Before you complain about how many more civilians Israel has killed, you should actually think about how many attempts the righteous victims have made to kill Israeli civilians. They fire rockets and mortars into Israel damn near daily with the intent of killing civilians; the fact that their rockets don't always succeed doesn't negate their intention; if you can't understand that, you are beyond hope. There is a difference in morality between an army attacking a group of men firing rockets at civilians and killing the militants and accidentally a civilian/ a group of militants firing rockets with the express purpose to kill civilians.

Using UN resolutions to try to prove your point is silly, no surprise. How many Muslim countries are there? How many countries are there that fear international terrorism/need oil? The answer is many. If you want an idea of what goes on at the UN, I suggest you read a book called "The UN Gang" which will give you a better idea of what the UN is actually like. All you need to know about the neutrality of the UN is that Israel gets sanctioned more by that bastion of fairness than Rwanda or Sudan ever got while in the process of carrying out genocide.

As for having Palestinian prisoners, do you think that Israel should not jail people who are involved in plots to kill Israeli civilians? Are Palestinians automatically absolved from blame for their actions because they are righteous victims? Is a Palestinian who plans a bus bombing somehow beyond culpability?

As for Gazans, I do care about their future, because as long as they are unhappy, that is bad news for Israel. I don't see any viable answer to this problem as long as the Palestinian state is divided in half and Israel doesn't let the Palestinians cross between the two, which will probably continue for a long time. The best hope for peace is an immediate cease fire + an Israeli agreement to give back much of the land in the WB (it will keep the largest settlement blocs though and give land contiguous to the WB to the Palis to make up for it) + a Pali declaration recognizing Israel as a state/Israel's right to exist + Israel allowing the Palis to return to work in Israel + a very limited right of return + the rest of the Arab world agreeing to normalize relations with Israel. There must be some kind of economic cooperation between the countries in the region; a joint project that crossed borders would be a great first step.
thaiboxer u need to take notes from IG. ur post contains 1 logical fallacy after another, ive counted atleast 5.


IG PLEASE POINT THEM OUT, OR ELSE I WILL ONCE I HAVE TIME.



im not gna refute nethin till i find some time
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