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Originally Posted by Darwinist
I have absolutely no idea whatsoever where you get this vibe from. My(and most other critics) opposition to Scientology has nothing to do with faith or freedom to worship or live according to whatever philosophy you like. It has everything to do with their stated goal of creating a world where nothing exists which they do not control completely, and their utter visciousness in trying to grab as much temporal influence as humanly possible.
I can understand where you are coming from though. Many people who think that "Radical Atheists" are coming to take their bibles away in the near future tend to defend scientology in a knee-jerk fashion just because they say they "believe", and believers of all stripes need to stick together against the Angry Atheists Fascists.
Well let me tell you something. You are far more likely to be stripped of your right to worship by a government ruled by Scientology than secularism. After all, all the world's religions are just engrams, or fake memories implanted by aliens 75 million years ago, Jesus was a pedophile, and Mohammad was a merchant who made up all his visions to increase commerce in his home town(straight from Hubbard's mouth).
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Hubbard is clearly lying and defaming two of the greatest men that ever lived.
Refutation to the claim that Jesus was a pedophile,:
Jesus was NOT a pedo. there are no records of nething of the sort, and to suggest something like this is clearly wrong. Jesus was a great Prophet who healed the sick and whose message was to obey one God and live in peace with each other. There is no record of him having sexual relations with ANYONE, let alone children. He hasnt brought up any facts, historical records, biblical records (which i personally dont hold to be 100% accurate) so this ones really a weak attack, and the burdens on him to prove he's tellin the truth.
Refutation to the claim that Mohammad was a merchant who made up all his visions to increase commerce in his home town:
Muhammad lived a life of poverty from his birth as an orphan shepord to his death as a merchant.
1) He always urged the rich to give to the poor and spend in charity
In an agreed upon hadeeth, the Prophet (s.a.a.w.) said, "If I had as much gold as the weight of Uhud, it would not please me to have a single dinar out of it with me after the passage of three days, but I would hold back something for the repayment of a debt. I would distribute it among the slaves of Allah like this and like this and like this.'' And he (PBUH) pointed in front of him, and on his right side and on his left side. We then walked a little further and he (PBUH) said: "The rich would be poor on the Day of Resurrection, except he who spent like this and like this and like this,". and he pointed as he did the first time. "But such persons are few".
2) He had little to no possessions at the time of his death
`Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) died when my house was void of any edible thing except for a small quantity of barley I had on a shelf and from which I kept eating it for a long time. Then when I measured what was left of it, it soon finished. [reported Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
3) Even as Muslims around him grew rich, he stayed poor his whole life.
The following commentary is taken from the online version of Riyadu-Saleheen (considered one of his most authentic biographies) (Chapter 55):
During the last days of the Prophet (PBUH) the financial position of the Muslims had largely improved due to the spoils of war and he could have lived a comfortable life if he liked, but he stuck to the same austere life which he had led earlier. In this Hadith, `Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) has related an account of the extremely austere and pious life of the Prophet (PBUH) although her house was the house of his most beloved wife.
This Hadith also tells us that in spite of his profound love for `Aishah (May Allah be pleased with him), the Prophet (PBUH) did not accord her any preferential treatment. He treated all his wives equally. Thus, this Hadith has a lesson for `Ulama' and their families that they should not look towards worldly riches and the amenities enjoyed by them but keep in view the life of the Prophet (PBUH) and his wives and learn to keep themselves contented with minimum income.
3) He purposely stayed poor and lived a very simple life and even PROMOTED giving up wealth to the poor in order to be rewarded by God after one's death
`Abdullah bin Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) slept on a straw mat and got up with the marks left by it on his body. Ibn Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) said, "O Messenger of Allah! Would that you make us spread out a soft bedding for you.'' He (PBUH) replied, "What have I to do with the world? I am like a rider who had sat under a tree for its shade, then went away and left it.''
[At-Tirmidhi].
4) He was OFFERED money, power and women by the Quraish Tribe in order to stop his preaching of the religion, and he declined (multiple times)
In the first three years of Prophet Muhammad’s (Sallallahu ‘Alaihi wa Sallam) mission, forty people accepted Islam. He then began to preach Islam in public. The leaders of the Quraish did not accept the new religion. Some of them tried to bribe Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu ‘Alaihi wa Sallam) with money and power, including an offer to make him a king. But our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu ‘Alaihi wa Sallam) refused to abandon Allah’s message. When this did not work, they tried to convince his uncle, Abu Talib, to allow them to kill Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu ‘Alaihi wa Sallam). Therefore, his uncle tried to dissuade him from preaching. But Holy Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu ‘Alaihi wa Sallam) said ” O uncle, if they were to put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to stop me from preaching Islam, I would never stop. I will keep on preaching until Allah makes Islam prevail or I die. ”
alternately
The pagans of Mecca had tried all the atrocities and cruelties on the Prophet and the believers, but failed to dissuade from Islam. So they called on the Prophet as a delegation and offered thar they can make him their king, give him all the wealth that he wants and also give him the most beautiful lady in his wedlock, but he should not propagate Islam. The Prophet replied:
"If you put sun on my one hand and moon on the other hand, to give up Islam I will not, until Allah fulfills it for me or destroys me in the process." (hadith)
So both these accusations are false and have NO proof whatsoever.
May Peace be on all of Gods Messengers.