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Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187
Exactly, he tailored it by changing the techniques so they actually work. My point precisely. So why not teach the stuff that works from the beginning?
I did the same thing Lyoto and other Shotokan Karateka have for generations; learned a bunch of stuff in the Dojo that didn't work and had to adapt it for use in Kumite, then started fighting in tournaments and discovered even more of the stuff I learned in the Dojo didn't work and adapted to even more stuff that did.
If you do this for long enough you wake up one day and discover that you are basically a self-taught kickboxer. This is not an efficient way to train and requires years of adjusting to unlearn the stuff that doesn't work.
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im just asking isnt it the same w/every art; not saying they aren't more effective as a base are, but bjj-boxing-judo-kickboxing-muay thai-sambo- all have to be tailored. Whether its to mma or its to self def, anytime u use them in a diff environment or against diff stylist u have to modify or adjust.
now diff arts need less modification; BUT all arts have to be modified, that is why we have bjj- sport bjj-self def bjj-same thing w/judo and various other arts.
im not attacking u or trying to questioning ur knowledge or opinion, just stating a fact; if lyoto feels shotokan has done him some kind of good and he is a top level 205 guy (sok, rich, penn, nak, heath) all being on his ledger. Then i have to give it some of its due, i've seen marcus hicks use karate eff, mezger has used it in mma (its obv if u watch him), jeff foster, and so on.
im not saying it is super eff, esp in the cage; im saying when modified and trained in an environment conducive to where it will be used it can and will be eff, an example i had a friend who did karate. He intially trained w/wrestlers-bjj-judoka, etc; he used to get handled w/out being able to land a strike, but after a period of time he began to get his spacing, timing right and learn which strikes were the most effective. He also learned which adjustments he had to make in regards to how and where he placed them; through osmosis he learned how to def, and get back up whnen brought down. But to my point he learned who maximize his footwork, pick, place and sit on shots so as to be more effective w/them; not just being able to off hurt them, but def keep them honest.
same issue diff side of the coin, i had a bjj guy who got challenged to a fight w/a boxer w/a lil wrestling experience; the bjj guy tried to do straight bjj, like there was no striking standing or on the ground and got handled. Because he didn't train or make adjustments, he treated it like it was another bjj match or that his opp would lack skills necessary to make him pay for his lack of adjustment.
but i agree w/ur point-not trying to step on toes-but do u see mine