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Originally Posted by Rigger

Well Ive had this argument with Happyboy before and I disagree and so do the IJF referees. That clip is at a misleading angle IMO. Its less clear cut looking here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-yjzWsK87Y and less still with the cameras used on eurosport where I watched it live.

It was perfectly clear if you knew what the hell you were looking at! That is a high level counter technique that dropped Doullet directly on his back. The inexperienced judges didn't recognize it AT ALL, and actually thought that Doulet deserved the point.

Originally Posted by Rigger

The IJF referees verdict after studying the videos was the the correct call should have been no score to either as neither had control. I tend to agree with that since whilst Douillets rolls over so his back touched the floor there was little force and Shinhohara was falling over as Douillet was and wasnt able to exert force through his arms.

Look, the move happens at 13 sec of this video. Then they are grappling again, by the 23 sec mark. There was no review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK5TYK8Efc0

No, YOU ARE FACTUALLY WRONG. There in lies the problems of your belief. THEY HAD NO VIDEO REVIEW BACK THEN, and they still haven't implemented it at that level!

The 3 inexperienced refs got together in the middle of the mat, and quickly made a decision... but since it was so fast, and they didn't know what they were looking at, they simply saw it as a draw with a slight edge to Shinohara, giving him the inappropriate Yuko.

It was not a draw, it was a perfectly executed counter-technique. Look at the way Shinohara twisted his hips outside the uchi mata, twisted Doulet's shoulders toward the mat, and shot his leg straight up in the air (thereby "pulling" Doulet's leg up)?

No matter which you look at it, Doulet ends up flat on his back, with the expression "Oh shit, did I get Ipponed?!"

It is clear that Doulet thought he lost, and Shinohara, and every judoka worth a rat's ass, knew that Shinohara won that with an ippon. BARE FUCKING MINIMUM, he should have gotten a Wazari (which would have won him the Gold) from dropping him on his back.

It was robbery, because there was NO VIDEO REPLAY SYSTEM, and because the REFS WERE CLUELESS to the higher judo before him. The refs were asleep at the wheel.

Originally Posted by Rigger

Whats often overlooked is that outside that incident (which I can watch over and over and still not be sure about) Douillet dominated the match. Its also overlooked that the ref was being very harsh on Douillet for using the belt grip which Shinohara had been struggling with and that one of his counters to uchi mata was not scored. Not really relevant to who should have won the match but Douiullet was also much more impressive in how he reached the final.

Doullet dominated the stalling, not the match. He was warned many times, and the Japanese were going crazy. It was an absolute robbery.

And yes, I know a lot about this incident, because by sensei (Makishi) was his training partner, I was living Japan at the time, and I followed judo closely.

Bullshit stolen gold... And that douchebag Doullet knows he stole the gold. If he were a real man, he would have bowed out and given the Gold to the winner of that match, Shinohara.