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Originally Posted by Fight_Song
I think the most common thing you'll find when going for that transition is that (from the gi pics POV) the top man will sit his right knee through and slide that knee under your hip. He'll really want the crossface too.
I always think you're better at the underhook -> take the back or stand neutral game than the edges and coming out the back, but that is most likely my wrestling experience speaking. A lot of people have a good time with the edge and coming through the legs so I'm not going to tell anyone not to go for it.
Saulo's no-gi dvds has a great half guard part with coming out the butt and out the back. he uses awesome set-ups and I think he uses a half butterfly when he comes under the butt so he can get a x-guard kinda thing where he cradles your leg over his shoulder. The top man has no base at all at this point and he can use his butterfly hook to elevate and finish his sweeps. That's why I think butterfly half is better than normal half for going out the butt. You have the hook to lift them.
I'll watch it tonight and give you better input.
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I think our experiences flavor each of our opinions, but I get where you're coming from. I used to not think much of coming out through the legs, but (as I wrote above), I see how it can work now that I've learned parallel game with my different butterfly hook guards. I don't think it a style that will work for a lot of guys until they've got about an intermediate skill level (which is when the greater ability to use momentum and combinations makes it viable).
The underhook and take the back game is included in my goals too though. I think they'll compliment each other well, since I see opportunities for one when they block the other.
I agree that the half butterfly hook makes this game easier, since you can use it to create space and lift them off. It also works into x-guard better. But like I said, I've got an injury that prevents me from using that hook, so I'm trying to find another way to play.