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Originally Posted by 2swole
After watching takimoto, obviously a skilled grappler give up his back twice fairly easily now to fighters clearly not on his level (moussassi and galasic)..reading about it somewhere passingly the tendency..and rolling with a brown belt judoka back when I was an absolute rookie to the bjj game and really raw..
i pose the question, do judoka guys tend to give up their back fairly easily? I mean i took the judoka's back (full hooks) and it was apparent he was trying and not taking it easy (it was his first class, haven't see him around since), using a fair amount of strength.
(Just a note, not implying i owned him or anything, it was a friendly session and he got me with a gi clock choke at the time and i didn't know what it was.)
But watching takimoto makes me wonder if it's something inherent in their newaza??
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Its a tuff nut to crack if you're good at it.
Tak has given back often. So has Lombard. So has Nakamura. So has Karo. They've all made it thru them...better than mounted I am sure. Not the best of positions but not necessarily an end-all to one that is comfy there.
Judoka give back to prevent score from top control in judo and in mma. There are other options that they'll learn but when they have been doing them well for years it can be a safe place especially vs some more than others.(Tak went gaurd vs Kikuta, another judoka, from what I remeber)
Some will also go turtle to tap out to a choke rather than be punched out if they are exhausted, like Pavel/Aleks.