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Originally Posted by peregrine
1. your boxing i suspect is excellent. likely in the top 35% of the active amateurs out there. so yes a 4inch knife vs you and a tonfa in daylight in an open field you have the advantage.
bigger the knife the advantage sways towards the knifer. again add to this the street factor and the knifer gains even more.
interesting you mention DB.
i actually have that dvd. if i recall correctly that was "Top dog" knaus, cofounder of db. the best of the best. he has had the most fights which means THOUSANDS(estimated near 3000) of real stickfights. the best backhand around combined with the best footwork around. of the thousands of db real stick fights, that is the only one where the knee cap was split. if i remember correctly it was a wicked backhand and he is known for his powerful backhand and elusive footwork. as for tonfa vs knife db has done those as well. finding the knife superior many a times. by superior i mean lethality. thursts to the body from a blade vs stick hits.
i will make clear the tonfa is a wonderful weapon. it has many options. lethal and non lethal.
the knife has less options but is highly more lethal.
another point on closing the gap. even those highly trained, such as a few of the db have difficulty sidestepping or avoiding the clinch with full powered stickhits to the head and rest of the body.
2.is that last paragraph boastful or experience? as a boxer i am sure you have fought several times with a broken hand(s), ribs or facial fracture. if it was for your life i am sure you would consider it an acceptable loss if it allowed you to get your work done then win.
with regards to fighting a stick no i am not talking about a finger break, but about fractures to the arm and ribs. i work in the emergency field so know a few things about what someone can and can't do with a fracture, including compound/open fractures. a solid thrust from a tonfa will break ribs and stop most people, but your transition from long range stick s you try to hit him on the crash to short range weapon will allow the knifer to get in with his knife in the midsection and his non weapon arm overhooking your weapon arm.
3.yes. as i said a stick hit is about mindset and pain tolerance. on mindset, i will be determined to get my opponent, highly motivated, because if i lose then i will likely die along with my family.
pain tolerance, eatting a stick and eatting a punch can be similar in that with experience comes confidence knowing you can take them.
i also doubt you will carry your tonfa around the same places i am likely to carry a 4inch folder. if that was the case then i'd just use a machete and you your katana.
i don't understand your last statement about 99-1.
i also think you should see for yourself. make yourself a padded knife and a padded tonfa. then spar. pvc pipe, pipe insulation and duct tape. if the knifer gets inside and two thrusts off the tonfa loses. if the tonfa gets 2 headshots or knee or combo of above or two thrusts he wins. this also includes strikes to the weapon arm/hand. 1strike on the weapon arm from either opponent means they win as it could equate to a fracture or cut. try this in an open field and try in a ring.
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Very good points here made for both concepts. Now let me give you my stand point from a Military Cop and now a Animal Control Officer who has been taught and attended numerous seminars on the use of a baton and knifes. I liken this debate to a dog coming at me, definately more determined then most humans, twice as quick as most humans and I liken the dog to a knife fighter experience or not, the baton (unless your in a phone booth) takes the knife 99.9% of the time.
The point is that a closed baton can go anywhere a 4 inch folder can go, were talking about 3 inches of difference, coat pockets, even most pant pockets can conceal it quite nicely, so that point is moot.
The other point made about taking a shot from a baton, that solid steele, I understand you've worked in a E/R or rescue sometimes, I've probably sent some of my clients to you that thought a knife against a baton was an advantage.
I will say that I don't care how determined you are (unless your hyped on drugs), taking hits from a baton anywhere in the knee area is going to stop you cold, that's the study of the human body and the nerves of the brain that control pain and such. Your analogy that you can withstand direct shots from a baton are at best whimsical thinking. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not underscoring the use of knifes when matched against an unarmed individual advantage knife (or that phone booth, that's why Law Enforcement Officers use batons instead of knifes (think about it).
I know I can't convince you any different, but I've been certified in the baton and had more then enough classes on knife fighting, batons win out in almost every possible situation unless they surprise you, then knife or baton is a moot point again.